Ok so i was using mumble tonight while playing operation Archer, and i was a squad leader and Shadow was in a different squad but in mumbe. Now we were getting attacked from the north so i asked shadow to come and support my squad using GLOBAL cause he was TO FAR AWAY for LOCAL to work, and then i get people screaming at me telling me not to spam. After this i am muted so i cannot talk to Edward when he asks for help, so i ask over global chatter ingame why i was muted, then i am told "Guess" so i say "because i was using global chatter to ask someone who was to far away to come help me" then i am promptly kicked from the server for spamming messages AFTER SENDING TWO MESSAGES!

 

I was using it to ask shadow to come and help me, i am not going to run 100m to use local, i wouldnt in Teamspeak and im not going to now. It is there to be used as a tool of communication, people are taking it to far as to that ANY NON-LOCAL chat is SPAM. Guys i am not using mumble anymore as of this, until people decide to calm down, and stop whining every time someone uses global chatter in mumble.

 

Happy gaming

You use global and the enemy hears what you say as well, understand now ?

The mumble server has been set up to accomodate it's correct usage.

 

If you're a squad leader, you should be in the squad leader team 1 or 2 channel. That way you can use global to talk to the other squad leaders without pissing everyone else off. These channels were set up for this EXACT purpose. You can still use positional to talk to EVERYONE - that includes your squad mates, the enemy and other squad leaders in game, but your global only goes to other people in the same channel as you.

 

Don't have a hissy fit because you don't understand, didn't make yourself aware of, or simply disregarded the correct usage of the server.

 

Mumble isn't a social tool. It's intended use isn't so you can jump on and have a gas bag with your mates. It's not there so you can ask questions about what map the server is. It's there as an in game communications tool - treat it as such, or don't use it. If you want to find out what map the server is on, check out the right hand side of the front page of these forums. There are 3 GameTracker plugins that display the map and the player numbers.

 

If you want to talk to another SL over global, make sure you're both in the SL channel.

Edited April 9, 200916 yr by efgh146

Yeah i suggested that we move to the squad leader channel but was met with a threat about being muted...

The threat may have been said because 5 minutes before I complained over global about being intentionally pushed off a cliff and was about to ask the admin present if the offender could be warned but i was just told to shut up..

It's there as an in game communications tool - treat it as such, or don't use it.

 

im sorry but i didnt realise that using it to communicate with far away team mates was a problem. I realise now and i will never use mumble again cause obviously i dont understand.

i didnt realise that using it to communicate with far away team mates was a problem

 

Read my entire post so you do understand.

 

At present, your responses are coming over as very childish. Might want to gauge whether that's your intention and rectify as appropriate. Take it as a lesson learnt and move on.

Edited April 9, 200916 yr by efgh146

Read my entire post so you do understand.

 

OK i read the post and what happened had nothing to do with asking about map information, i already know about the 3 things on the website and i use them now as people are sensitive in mumble.

 

Take it as a lesson learnt and move on.

 

What lesson, asking for support over mumble? please make it clear to me what i did wrong, i was using it for team communication.

I'm with Chan on this one, you can't expect every squad leader to be in the mumble SL channel all the time. 6 words (Can I get some help shadow) in global isn't gonna hurt anyone.

so everyone who spams global will be muted now?

Noddy, not at all. It was a one off case. I was the admin who muted him. Point was made and has been dealt with.

 

Chan you understand where I am coming from. No hard feelings. No big deal.

 

But I ask that you do not take your issues to global chat ingame..

Edited April 9, 200916 yr by HairyFence

this thread

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never mind Evil cleared it up

please make it clear to me what i did wrong, i was using it for team communication.

 

I'll leave this one with Roots.

Edited April 9, 200916 yr by efgh146

i think stabby has told you, but he used some big words and formal english which made it a little harder to understand.

 

the short answer is, NO GLOBAL EVER unless you are in the SQUAD LEADERS CHANNEL.

 

now, you have probably been in the channel and seen the usual suspects using global freely so you thought it was ok. ignore them, they aren't supposed to be doing it and it annoys everyone else.

 

don't be so final with the never using mumble again talk, it's a great tool, just stay in the main channel and use local only. gekko hates when people do that

I'm with Chan on this one, you can't expect every squad leader to be in the mumble SL channel all the time. 6 words (Can I get some help shadow) in global isn't gonna hurt anyone.

 

Was it really limited to 6 words though...? What about the response from Shadow? It's easy to overdo this kind of thing. I'd think that if it really was kept to an absolute minimum, then this problem wouldn't have arose. But then again, I wasn't there.

I personally all think you take this mumble a bit to seriously. This sort of affair is why I dislike the program so much.

I personally all think you take this mumble a bit to seriously.

 

QFT

 

plus the spam in there gets crazy at times... usually nothing is done about it..

 

 

l don't think l've ever seen anyone outside the main channel since l've been using it.. you can't expect people to alt-tab and change channels each round when they decide to lead a squad or not.

 

As long as people aren't giving detailed locations etc and blabbing on for ages, l really don't see a problem. As you guys say, it's there as a communication tool.

l don't think l've ever seen anyone outside the main channel since l've been using it.. you can't expect people to alt-tab and change channels each round when they decide to lead a squad or not.

 

The thing is... if you're ever even THINKING about maybe sometime in the future perhaps toying with the idea of trying out squad leading, you should be in the SL channel. Why you ask? Because when you're in the regular channel you're not allowed to use global chat (aka spam apparently) and if you're in the SL channel, the global chat goes ONLY to the people in the SL channel.

 

Your regular mumble (positional audio) works exactly the same. So there's absolutely no downside. The only alt-tabbing that ever has to occur is if you guess wrong before you join the game which team you're on, and there are ppl in the channel from the other team, in which case you wouldn't wanna global with them.

 

So yeah... go SL channel noobz

So yeah... go SL channel noobz

But then if everyone goes in the SL channel, we all have the same problem.

 

Maybe we need a GLOBAL chat channel, for all the people that don't have a problem with it. Local still works, main channel is quiet, spammers go in their own channel via their own choice when they start mumble. People that complain about spam have nothing to complain about or will they find something else? Can that not work?

 

If you need to talk over global in the main channel, you don't. Perhaps type it like you used to and hope they read it.

 

And I don't understand how it is hard to alt-tab in the first couple of mins if you are squad leading. It takes maybe 15 seconds tops, you could do it after your first wounding.

 

Again, advantages of Mumble FAR FAR FAR outweigh the disadvantages, even with the global talking.

 

We could go back to the two channels again, but then it would be even harder for people to alt-tab the right team channel. I can't see playing the game without it now, even if I only speak to a couple of people a game. When I do it makes it worthwhile.

Edited April 9, 200916 yr by captncrunch240

all good... but whatever is decided needs to be enforced consistantly and with an even hand.

 

 

And I am not saying this in reference to this particular incident - I wasn't there so that wouldn't be fair to pass judgement, but was the reason for my earlier post.... I was simply surprised that the incident as described warrented such a reaction - I've seen a lot worse and therefore just wanted clarification for the community.

 

And I don't understand how it is hard to alt-tab in the first couple of mins if you are squad leading. It takes maybe 15 seconds tops, you could do it after your first wounding.

 

 

 

l never said it was hard, just that you cant expect people to do it.. what with people being lazy n all :whistle:

Was it really limited to 6 words though...? What about the response from Shadow? It's easy to overdo this kind of thing. I'd think that if it really was kept to an absolute minimum, then this problem wouldn't have arose. But then again, I wasn't there.

 

Yeh pretty much limited, but thats not the point, my point is that everyone is taking mumble, as Visone said, waaayyy to seriously, I will continue to use it, but people you NEED to loosen up, god your all so dont do this and dont do that, dont have fun rawr rawr rawr! I understand that if i was SPAMMING not using it as a COMMUNICATION TOOL.

 

Just remember that, ok, maybe go easy if someone asks for some help, but if they go OMFG I JUST 1337p3wnd3rzedURASS, take the necesary action.

 

I find that when its 5-10 people in mumble everyone is alot easier on each other and you CAN global and have a laugh and everyone doesnt get so angry, but as soon as you all serious ANTI-EVERYTHING-THAT-IS-FUN guys come in, mumble just turns to crap.

My Tuppence:

 

The admin muting action was valid. It was continued global spam that resulted in the mute.

 

SL Channel would be superb if we used it well. Only disadvantage is I can't see who all the other mumblers are on my overlay.

I use SL channel occasionally, when I have another SL who I can work with.

 

Globalling on mumble is naughty, and is actually accepted by the community at large when it is very very restricted. (eg. a few quick words). Don't flame me for saying it... you know its true .

 

 

 

Final word: If someone is told to stop spamming on Global, and the carry it on, they deserve to be muted.

 

 

PS: I love mumble - both for the in game warfare benefits, and for the opportunities it provides for halarity and funessness

My Tuppence:

 

The admin muting action was valid. It was continued global spam that resulted in the mute.

 

????? I stopped cause they made an issue of it, AFTER I appologised for asking for help for my squad.

 

Guys mumble really isnt that important Im just about ready not to use it fullstop. And if these types of actions are continuously taking place, im just gonna uninstall the dam thing and go back to teamspeak and write all my messages in the Team chat in-game.

 

Also can we GET A DEFINITION OF GLOBAL SPAM!

 

As of right now i think this is global spam:

 

a) ANY speak over global in game.

 

Ok new rule, EVERYONE REMOVE YOU FORCE CENTRE POSITION CAUSE THERE IS NO POINT IN HAVING IT AT ALL.

 

 

 

 

 

ps. You know what, i think the smartest person in BigD is Howlin Mad Murdock, he's not using mumble.

Edited April 10, 200916 yr by crawfs

That's not true Chan... use your global button only when in the SQL channel.

Chan, this has all been nutted out in the Mumble sticky.

 

No Global is the best option UNLESS you are in the Squad Leaders channel. Now, don't go in the SL channel just so you can use global, use it for game chat only.

 

FCP is there for a reason. One, so you can yell "NO GLOBAL!". Two, that's it. I joke, inter-SL comms in the SL channel.

 

ps. You know what, i think the smartest person in BigD is Howlin Mad Murdoch, he's not using mumble.

There are actually a lot of people not using it, and guess why. TOO MUCH GLOBAL. That's their only reason. Most of it relies on the in-between round chatter as a reason for not using it. Silly, I think.

 

Look, the more I think about it, the only way to make some people happy is to throw them in a Global channel, not the Squad Leader channel as that's there to enhance the SL's capacity.

 

SL Channel would be superb if we used it well. Only disadvantage is I can't see who all the other mumblers are on my overlay.

You don't change it to Show Only Talking? Got a screenie of a full mumble server?

Edited April 10, 200916 yr by captncrunch240