Are Ice bullets Possible has been the questin floating round the forums the past day and Bahlye suggested we start a new thread bout it, so

 

 

are they possible

 

The theory goes that the bullet penetrates the body and then dissovles leaving

no bullet for evidence. Is this plausable or just another idea dreamed

up by fiction writiers?

 

I dont beleive it is possible as the energy used to fire a bullet produces a large amount of heat

 

 

in other words the bullet never leavs the muzzel

air compression

 

/thread.

 

Ever seen No country for old men? Where the hitman/BAT**** CRAZY GUY uses compressed air to blow out locks and put holes in people's heads? Similar sort of thing, except forcing out a projectile.

Edited January 26, 200817 yr by hous_bin_farteen

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I remember seeing a Mythbusters episode where they tried it. The bullet would melt when fired

So do we mean "a ice projectile" fired from a gun..

 

Or whether a "ice projectile" can be fired from anything with enough force to kill someone/penetrate the body..?.

 

I reckon that sure..A big lump of ice could kill you,but I don't think an ice bullet would could be propelled with enough force to kill ,higher velocity would also make the bullet disintegrate ,and the air resistence would also slow it as it melts....

 

Lol..just thought of a cool experiment I can do with my crossbow.....Off to the freezer I go...

Edited January 26, 200817 yr by Gunner_downer

Possible maybe if you added something to the water like salt? or something and provided it with a membrane that stripped back during the firing/travel process eg wax paper or something that acted as a protective skin for the friction moments during firing and before impact..

 

Some TV show or movie provided a paper cover for the bullet that allowed the bullet to be handled without touching the ice, the paper expelled with the bullet but only the bullet travelled the distance..

how about dry ice?

how about dry ice?

 

Dry ice is liquid nitrogen if I remember correctly it doesn't actually produce ice particle? Correct me if I'm wrong

Possible maybe if you added something to the water like salt?

 

 

Bingo, lowers the freezing temperature making it a bit harder. I'm not sure you could make a traditional firearm though. Keep in mind that with the USA isn't this the country that spent like a million bucks on a pen that could write in space when a pencil would do?

 

A lot of cool spy stuff from WW2 is still classified!!

Compressed air guns could make it work. Would have a bunch of problems associated with it though...

Lol..just thought of a cool experiment I can do with my crossbow.....Off to the freezer I go...

 

LMFAO because the next post from Bahyle will be:

 

"Oh sh** the experiment didn't go so well fellas, missus is taking me to the hospital now,

I'll let you know what the surgeon says when I get back"

 

 

Be careful Bahyle!

hey in myth busters did they try it in a freezer

yes a it would probley melt the ice bullet when fired but if fire while the gun was at -20 i dont think it would

hey in myth busters did they try it in a freezer

yes a it would probley melt the ice bullet when fired but if fire while the gun was at -20 i dont think it would

 

But will the powder fire in -20 celsius or farenheit

Dry ice is liquid nitrogen if I remember correctly it doesn't actually produce ice particle? Correct me if I'm wrong

 

 

Dry ice is solid carbon dioxide at around -78C, Liquid nitrogen is quite a bit colder, it boils at -196C!!!!

Um don't you have some sort of huge hole that might prove the person was shot? Wouldn't the fact that only the US might have the capability to produce these things point the finger at the US?

 

I mean even if it did hit someone somebady would have to explain the huge hole in the victim. It hardly would make it look like natural causes.

 

Even if this was plausible why would you do it?

Even if this was plausible why would you do it?

 

Same can be said for the holocaust my friend some times just being able to do it makes it a good reason.

BECAUSE I CAN

Like I said in my first post, compressed air. Would be feasible in close ranges, the air release shouldn't sound like anything more than a very loud cough/thump.

I've made a solid ice tip on the end of a crossbow bolt,plastic test tube and a freezer...

 

As its nearly 40 degrees outside atm,I'm going to wait till the sun goes down,and test the theory......

 

I reckon the ice will disintegrate when I fire it but.....

 

(I'll have 000 on speed dial Blacky..)

Like I said in my first post, compressed air. Would be feasible in close ranges, the air release shouldn't sound like anything more than a very loud cough/thump.

 

It wouldn't give you any great deal of accuracy though. It could be likely to go anywhere and everywhere.You may also find that 1 of 2 things would happen.

 

1) your projectile stops the c02 expelling from the chamber, and nothing happens.

 

2) your projectile sits in the chamber and is scuttled all the way to the tip and firing off in an undisclosed location to where you thought it was going.

 

You would have better odds sconning someone with an ice cube and a slingshot.

How about some sort of paddlepop launcher instead?

Hmm, I was thinking more of pneumatic potato cannons and the like. Back a few years before I got caught by the cops I made a few of these. Instead of loading in a screwdriver, you could perhaps load a 1.5in ice cube... With the screwdriver anyway, it was pretty damn accurate up to about 75m. It could easily penetrate a sheet of 3 ply, not entirely sure about a human since I wasn't a complete idiot and didn't stand infront of it, but I reckon it could've made a hole. An ice cube would probably do the same.

 

Here's a vid of me a few years ago shooting a screwdriver at a sheet of 3 ply in my backyard (no wonder the cops confiscated it )

http://mypage.tsn.cc/dumbexperiments/solenoid_launcher.MOV

 

Was completely silent, all you heard was really a gush of air, though it's one shot only before you have to get out the air compresser and pump it back up to 100 PSI and reload.

 

AncientMan, the homebrew terrorist, until the cops taught me a lesson

Edited January 26, 200817 yr by fAithleSs

I made a mortar that could launch a potato 2 blocks......

 

materials=can of airostart,1.2 metre piece of pcv waste pipe,1 end cap,a barbeque lighter,2 hose clamps and the bottom of a golf trundler with the wheels removed....

 

the cops never got us....although after sighting it onto the nearby road(2 way radios...,using a "spotter")..

We did get a mention in the local paper....,in the police news....).

 

Another silly stunt was "what will happen to a can of Flyspray,if you put it in a microwave"...

 

Answer= A big firken explosion,and a missing microwave door......(we did this outside with an old microwave,and a really long extention cord......at a house we had out in the country....)

 

Sigh...Brings back memories......

You could use compressed gas to propel the projectile but it would be VERY inaccurate and have little to no range (think paintball gun). To increase range or accuracy you would need to rifle the barrel and/or change propellant type, both of these would lead to a vast increase in heat and therefore the ice would melt/disintegrate.

 

If you want to shoot someone and remain fairly ambiguous just use an AK-47 lol.

 

Actually I hear from certain little birdies that a lot of 'wet' operations behind enemy lines (ie. Iraq) are carried out with silenced AK type weapons because it effectively masks the identity of the nations/factions involved.

I made a mortar that could launch a potato 2 blocks......

 

materials=can of airostart,1.2 metre piece of pcv waste pipe,1 end cap,a barbeque lighter,2 hose clamps and the bottom of a golf trundler with the wheels removed....

 

the cops never got us....although after sighting it onto the nearby road(2

My father once told me how he made a squash ball mortar using a tube a spark plug and some "ingredient x" with water in it. Apparently went a kilometer or so.

Update on my ice tipped crossbow bolt..

 

I put a bolt in the freezer,sitting vertical in a plastic test tube....once it had frozen I "shaped" it with tap water to get a point,then hung it back in the freezer for a while.

 

When I fired it..it didn't fly apart as I thought it would,and seemed to have survived the impact of hitting the little hill in the backyard(about 20 metres away).

By the time I dug it out of the sand(yes sand Its WA...),the tip had melted but there was a wet patch where the tip had been.

 

So...Ice can survive being fired at high speeds.....not from a gun but......

And will penetrate an object....or a least a sandy hill...

 

 

 

What other fun experiments can we do....?????