Heya guys,

 

Well i was bored and was looking at the Top 100. Which led me to looking at other peoples performance's which led me to there times and stats....

 

I was curious mostly about how much time was being spent in different positions of the game ie: Squad Leader and Members.....

 

NOTICEABLY was the fact that allot of the say top 20 has spent sweet FA time as Squad Leaders??? Some people had times of like 8hrs SL and 80+ as SM which I thought disgusting.

 

I think its time allot of you points whores started earning your stripes and actually led people into battle instead of sitting around so you can get the good kits while us poor shmucks do all the crappy jobs to keep you there ya spoilt little biatches, and you know who you are!!!!

 

Its so frustrating to see all these so called "Team Players" being selfish...it just makes me wanna shoot you in the head and tea bag you...whilst writing profanities for everyone to read:) But alas i cant do that because it would be me that would suffer....so instead my intent for this post is to shame them into STEPPING THE F UP!!!

 

So I suggest people start going thru the Top 100 leader board as seen here:

 

http://bf2stats.gamingsa.com/prstats/

 

Look at there Time usages and specifically keep your squads locked to those who take advantage....

 

I wont point names out because its just childish but once you have a look you will soon see who is making PR the game its MEANT to be and those who are just riding on there backs...

 

REMEMBER guys Being a SL is a major part of this game as well as being a member of a squad!!

 

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Of course I understand that some people feel they are not ready to be squad leaders yet, but that's no excuse as some of you have many many hours more in this game than I have and yet basically 50% of the time I'm a squad leader, and i know that a majority of the time I'm not....GruAncH is...with also a small number of bD being SL (like 2-4 of them).

 

Anyway I know this probably wont matter and those who try to get away with being moochers will just flame me for whinging I felt it needed to be addressed because more and more i notice that either first time game players are being forced to be SL or It takes almost 1min pre-load before a few of us have to start a squad (for anyone curious I don't sit back and wait...I'm usually rushing in a cigarette before the game starts).

Squad Leaders don't make the points, squad members do. There's nothing disgusting about being a regular and decent squad member.

Fair point KllrKirk.

 

In an ideal world there should be quite a few more active SLs swapping the roles between them, and some regulars should step up more. Personally I was keen to experience the new maps and changed gameplay before taking on SL much. Others are probably the same.

Give it time, more SLs will step up for 0.6.

 

A good SL makes for 127%* better gameplay and fun in this game IMO.

 

 

 

* survey of one PR player

I'll be the first to admit that I prefer being a SM vs. being a SL. I don't have the knack of thinking of my feet and constantly checking the map and the natural instinct to lead. I'd make a good PR corporal cos I AM able to offer advice if the SL is unsure what to do because of some experience - it's the general leadership role I'm uncomfortable with. You should not equate hours of play PR to being a SL imo.

 

I rarely get special kits and am an SL when I'm the reluctant SL or I feel I know the map sufficiently well to make good decisions.

On another note - totally don't like being SL for Insurgents. Why? Can't be a civvie then.

 

(And I'm not on the Top 100 board :cry: ) I used to be like...25 or something. Was it reset? Or don't I play enough now?

Yeah there are those that can lead and those that do!

 

I believe some guys are just good grunts but I think what he's saying is there are a few out there that never try and just ride the squad for their own devices.

 

I think at times you see 3X6 members where having 4 squads would work better but no one is willing to leave a squad to make up the numbers.

Whats worse is 2X6 and 3rd squad has 2 members

I got tired of yelling at people to get over here so I can set a rally. I play for fun and when it just pisses me off it's time to do something else.

Good point SmokeJumper I dont fully agree with the SL+ 3xSM rally point change. It makes an SL's life harder.

 

However I'm of two minds, as I have noticed that this has made a big difference sometimes between winning and losing a map. As rallies take a 'squad assembly' to install and are very easy to take down, it punishes disorganised squads who end up travelling back from main a lot (and their side being disdvantaged as they are not on the battlefront).

Perhaps if the Devs made the SL role FUN I would take the role more often. As it stands being SL is mostly just a pain in the arse. Rally points are more difficult to put down and much easier to destroy. Quite often the SL is reduced to being a living spawn point. He has to go and hide while everyone else actually PLAYS the game or the squad will be spawning back at main.

 

I respect those who step up but I dont think shaming people is the solution, unless they are sniper whores .

 

Bitch to the DEVs for turning PR into what it is. They have made all the important roles like commander, SL, HAT and Medic as fun as a root canal. While you're over there you could also mention the fact that Mestia is screwed for the UK and the US still get raped on Phoenix.

Don't forget guys these are only the version 6.0 stats your looking at for example my current stats. I know I for one don't hold the current version of the mod very highly in games I want to play and a myriad of issues cause me to stay away from the public games I used to play. So don't go to hard on the new Squad Leaders the game has changed its not as rewarding as it formally was and to many leaders don't take there lives and skill set seriously. Last thing its kind of silly to point out who tops the leader board a good squad leader shouldn't be trying to make big points cause there meant to 1 stay alive and 2 commander there squad which means they spend most of there time in the caplocks menu.

 

Version 6.0 - http://bf2stats.gamingsa.com/prstats/?pid=22385098

 

Version 5.0 - http://bf2stats.gamingsa.com/servers/bf2stats/?pid=22385098

Accuracy 10.223%

 

Woot~!

lol

I have 6 hours as SL and 66 as SM, I guess I should be ashamed of myself. I play PR for fun and quite frankly, I don't find playing as SL much fun. Also, I don't care about my stats, if I wanted to play for stats and badges, I would go back to lame old vanilla and try to become one of those 'uberleet' j10 pilots on wake.

Anyways, I haven't played much in the last week or two because I've become bored of the game. The unbalanced maps in PR doesn't help as well.

I agree with KllrKirk but it's a hard topic to discuss. I enjoi the role of SL more in 0.6 because it's so important to do it well and thats the challenge I am looking from in this game. I wish I could command more, but I think SL are the most important part of the game. It's much easier for me to say these things because being in Japan my ping is 200+ and my killing power has been greatly diminished, so acting as a mobile spawn or covering fire suites me best.

 

I actually disagree with the SL role. I think you SL kit should be a dedicated spawn point and provide covering fire. Your point man should run the squad and always be the first person to approach a flag, assess the situation and lead from there. If he comes into contact with multiple targets, he being the best assault player on the squad, try and clear it out as best as possible, with one other assault member in toe to cover him and then two medics following in to clean up and revive down soldiers. The second medic should only be used if really needed, otherwise should be covering fire and help keep the SL alive. Leaves you one position free, engineer, L or H AT, marksman.... depending on the situation and the call from the point man.

 

Medics are more effective than I thought in 0.6. I rarely use the kit anymore because I spend so much time as SL, but recently I have been jumping into other squads to learn from other SL and using the medic kit is still a valuable resource. You just need to be more careful and use a lot of smoke. I do think it takes too long to heal soldiers to full health though.

 

86hrs SL, 42hrs SM

SM's will, in most cases, get more points than SL's because they are in the thick of the fight killing things. SL's tend to hang back a little, not kill as much and command the squad.

 

Points mean nothing anyway. Just because you have lots of points, doesn't mean you'll be a good SL. What determines if your a good SL is the amount of respect you gain from your team mates due to your actions.

(aka, create the squad, one second later it's full....)

I have had a look at the top 20 or so players SL stats and most have spent a third of their total time in game as squad leader, some alot more.

 

Thats and average of 1 game in three as squad leader, isnt that fair??

 

I have played in squads where the SL is only about getting points for themselves, they get in tanks or fly choppers for points, leaving the squad to tag along. You dont just have to be a SM to be stats whoring.

 

Maybe some people just dont like being squad leader, specially when Squad Members try to run the squad..

If all capable SLs aimed at 33% Sl'ing, I wonder if we would cover it?

 

It would be great if it did...but hard to do the math as many unknown variables involved...

 

Who is a basic, capable SL? I reckon anyone who can request an officer kit, organise a squad enough to lay the down rallies and direct the squad where to focus the attack/defence based on commander orders and/or looking at the tactical map.

 

Yes that is most people who have played PR for a while.

It's funny though - I find some of the better SL's are also the most reluctant and think they're doing a bad job when they're doing an awesome job (dandred and rogue spring to mind)

Oh man, some of my stats suck.

 

I'll usually give SL a go and try to get some of the lone wolfs to join. Even have had a few shots at commander.

 

but SL is a frustrating job indeed.

I actually disagree with the SL role. I think you SL kit should be a dedicated spawn point and provide covering fire. Your point man should run the squad and always be the first person to approach a flag, assess the situation and lead from there. If he comes into contact with multiple targets, he being the best assault player on the squad, try and clear it out as best as possible, with one other assault member in toe to cover him and then two medics following in to clean up and revive down soldiers. The second medic should only be used if really needed, otherwise should be covering fire and help keep the SL alive. Leaves you one position free, engineer, L or H AT, marksman.... depending on the situation and the call from the point man.

 

Vis - Your friendly forum nazi admin has fixed yet another quotation error.

 

Damn Gekko you put alot of thought into it:) hahahaha

 

If i see you Sl'ing im joining

 

 

OK guys it was probablly a bit harsh the "Shaming" thing as someone said there are lots of variables.... But i figuered as a community it might be a good idea to fill the roles that are wanting?

 

Ive noticed alooot of people saying they dont like the new version?? Sure there are a few things that suck such as the massive ability for tank whores to spawn camp....and alot of forests (its just me) and deserts (still just me) but i am enjoying it.....if i could id play 24/7 but i cant.

 

Also i must give credit to those who do the right thing...the other day i needed a fourth person and invited a few familiar faces from full squads so i could get an officer kit and everyone but 1 person left and helped me out...(memory like a sive) but i thanked them at the time....

 

Ok well im more calm now cheers.

 

( and Buddah U A MOOCH!!! hehehehehehe)

If Stats matter it would be a big deal I have 20 hours as a SL and 36 as a SM. I do enjoy leading the squad when you have guys willing to play as a team I get ticked when I can get the team to follow what I need.

 

 

Stats don't matter and I don't play because of stats I play to enjoy the game and the team work that happens. I play to win and most of the time when you get a few squads working together you will win.

I actually wonder whether we should remove the stats altogether.

 

There is a contingent of bf2 players who just try and whore kills. Notice the number of people who camp a base without capping it ATM. I had one guy in an APC in my squad who was just, long distance, spawn camping for 5 minutes on the last flag. He pretty well refused to move the apc up even though it would have won us match a lot sooner.

 

Im not sure if this is correct, however, BF2 stats are stuffed, correct? I think we are attracting players who are attracted to our scoring system. I'm not sure if this is a good thing.

I don't mind going SL. Sometimes though I am probably not on the ball and simple plans go awry. Other times it all comes together and a good round is had.

Householddog there's been a few discussions about stats in PR before. I think the result was that we kept the stats but if you dont like them don't look at them.

 

Personally I agree they should be either totally removed or at least re-worked for PR to discourage lone wolf stat whores. Getting the most kills, best k:d ratio and max score does not encourage teamplay.

Who is a basic' date=' capable SL? I reckon anyone who can request an officer kit, organise a squad enough to lay the down rallies and direct the squad where to focus the attack/defence based on commander orders and/or looking at the tactical map.[/quote']

 

Wow! Thats me! Even I can do that!

 

Sarcasm aside, yeah, it probably would be nice too see more regulars taking the role but on the whole of it, I think you'll find most community members have no problem SLing they would just preffer to be SMers first. I know I fit into that catagory

Soz Chicken I forgot to put 'unquestionable dedication to Allah' in my list. Yes I was very bored at work yesterday.

i like being a SL.. especially when people like Davo, evilrooter, mediic and the other sinners are in the squad..

 

we work together, and do what we need to do..

 

being a SL is a thankless task.. the other night in the north bunker in the desert, i spent 20 minutes looking at the dunny with the poo in it, while my squad defended our position.. i kept the squad talking and calling where the action was coming from..

 

we had 1 or 2 enemy squads constantly attacking our position, and held em off.. we lost the round as the other squads were off trying to cap uncaps and waiting for choppers to respawn, but our squad held strong and thats what makes PR enjoyable.

 

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as for unenjoyable PR - Doing my best to obey the most useless commander.. sending me half way across the desert without intel, or moving me off my defense, only to have the enemy move in and take what we were defending.. they aslo seem to be the ones that spawn commander trucks and build bunkers and firebases like they are on special..

 

they cost tickets...

 

If i command, i dont deploy an asset unless we can retain the lead in tickets, or a closer spawn is really needed (and SAFE)