Why do we get such awful pings to europe ? 400 for example when aparently its closer by quite some distance that places such as say .. america

Would love an explanation as to why ping is better for a server that is further way

 

 

Distances to Said locations from Perth

13926.8 Kilometers / 7514.9 Nautical Miles Germany

 

18824.7 Kilometers / 10157.8 Nautical Miles Usa

I would imagine its has something to do with most of our cabling being routed through Eastern Australia to New Zealand and then America and Asia.

 

Anyway a little bit of a google later and this might help to explain it. These are the submarine cables that connect directly to Australia. Now as you can see it supports the previous statement I made. The majority of our submarine cabling is routed through Eastern Australia before venturing into the wider world. Its a unfortunate situation for people like yourself who are on the West coast because as you have mentioned you make be physically closer by a considerable distance but still your data is more likely to be routed the longest way possible.

 

1. AIS - (Australia-Indonesia-Singapore)
   
2. AJC - (Australia-Japan Cable)
   
3. ANZCAN - (Australia, New Zealand, Canada)
   
4. APCN - (Asia-Pacific Cable Network) (Japan, Korea, Philippines, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand, Indonesia, Australia)
   
5. APNG - (Australia-Papua New Guinea)
   
6. APNG-2 - (Australia-Papua New Guinea)
   
7. Gondwana-1 - (New Caledonia, Australia)
   
8. JASURAUS - (Jakarta - Surabaya - Australia) (Indonesia-Australia)
   
9. PacRimWest - (Pacific Rim West) (Australia-Guam)
   
10. PPC-1 - (Pipe Pacific Cable)(Australia, Papua New Guinea, Guam)
    
11. Southern Cross - (Australia, New Zealand, United States)
    
12. TASMAN 2 - (Australia-New Zealand)
    

 

SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_international_submarine_communications_cables

 

Finally who those of you who want to spurt some nonsense about satellites.

 

As of 2006, overseas satellite links accounted carried only 1 percent of international traffic, while the remainder was carried by undersea cable. The reliability of submarine cables is high, especially when (as noted above), multiple paths are available in the event of a cable break. Also, the total carrying capacity of submarine cables is in the terabits per second while satellites typically offer only megabits per second and display higher latency. However, a typical multi-terabit, transoceanic submarine cable system costs several hundred million dollars to construct

 

SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_communications_cable

 

The pure and simple fact is we live in the ARSEend of the universe when it comes to internet. Not only must we deal with being isolated by distance, we must also deal with the shear size of our country per population and finally we must also deal with idiot governments/shadow governments who have put no stock in the telecommunications industry. Even going as far as to sell most of our public assets off so now when someone finally has a reasonable idea about doing some real work to the info structure they are no longer capable. According to one fellow I know in the business the entire National Broadband Network is a sham and the industry as a whole is questionable whether it will be even remotely possible as it currently has being proposed.

 

Either way it doesn't matter how fast our internal speeds become if we are constantly throttled by our external connections to the world.

Part of the NBN sees companies increasing our international capacity by 2 or 3 times. I shouldn't say part of the NBN as its not funded by them but companies have said they will lay those cables if the NBN goes ahead.

 

Not a single person in Australia is yet to comprehend the benefits of the NBN, it will repay itself 10 fold over the years just as the copper telephone line has done. It is so important to Australia's economy and infrastructure.

Unfortunately capacity doesn't improve the speed of light ...

Part of the NBN sees companies increasing our international capacity by 2 or 3 times. I shouldn't say part of the NBN as its not funded by them but companies have said they will lay those cables if the NBN goes ahead.

 

Not a single person in Australia is yet to comprehend the benefits of the NBN, it will repay itself 10 fold over the years just as the copper telephone line has done. It is so important to Australia's economy and infrastructure.

 

I have no doubt it will be a real boon in the future assuming the current labour government is capable of getting it to go ahead. As I mentioned earlier or at least tried is the fact that in its current form people or company's really are hesitant to wade into the field knowing full well that there is going to be allot of red tape to try and dodge/avoid or straight cut.

 

Show the real question is not so much can it be done the question is more alone the lines of who is truly going to pay for it and even more importantly who will ultimately control it and from where.

 

Personally I'm hoping for the best I would really like to see a faster more consistent system in place than what we have today. Even better if it becomes more competitive and these outrageous prices we pay for what is by the equivalent of most other 1st world nations utter crap net with small allotments where we are often paying for upload and download.

Unfortunately capacity doesn't improve the speed of light ...

 

 

Interesting about that... speed of light being just shy of 300,000 kilometers

per second...

 

Something OT but it's a curious fact that if you could send the signal any

faster than that it would arrive before you sent it... so the Frenchman

with the HAT kit would die before you clicked the mouse button to shoot

at him...

negative ping anyone ?

Edited September 5, 201014 yr by mandatory05

Its not a matter of how big the international pipes are. Its how well an ISP's mirror international content on Australian servers for its customers.

Locally mirrored content allows for lower latency, fastest possible speed and cheaper to offer to customers.

 

But you might say "ow but hairy, I see TPG offering 500gb plans".

Well TPG did also purchase the largest public internet exchange in Australia and in turn the latest if not fastest international cable. That being PipeNetworks. So that means they control the data right from your modem, thu their own DSLAM, into their own national fibre network and then bounced international to Guam where it meets lots of other big international cables.

So in essence the price TPG pay to provide you 1gb, is a lot cheaper than lets say 1gb Internode could offer as Internode has to rent from international cables.

 

The NBN will test ISP's great and small as to how well they optimize their network and local cache systems.

And I am sick of being at only 4mbps.

 

FWIW: I get 165ms to USA and 320ms to Germany.

Edited September 5, 201014 yr by Athearyin

Interesting about that... speed of light being just shy of 300,000 kilometers

per second...

 

 

True, anyone who invents a "speed of light accelerator" would certainly make a mint.

 

... until someone uses it to bend the space-time continuum, go back in time and stop it from ever being invented.

 

On that strain of thought - perhaps it already HAS been invented, but the above has already happened ... but in that case, it hasn't actually been invented yet and it could still be ...

 

Anyway, I should expand on my comment a little.

 

We're always going to have latency to the other side of the world. Fibre operates on light, but the devices in between can't compute light signals. Instead what they do is use transceivers to change the light signal into an electrical signal so that they can be processed (routed, switched, checked for layer 2/layer 3 access control lists and Firewall rules). Once the computations are done, they're converted back into light and sent on their way.

 

But why don't we remove the many devices in the middle, Stabby?! Unfortunately we need those devices to perform varying degree's of functionality, from logical path selection and redundancy, through to traffic policing and signal amplification/repeating.

 

Basically, the more devices you pass through, the bigger distance you travel and the more computation required on your traffic, the bigger your latency is going to be.

 

We're always going to have a large latency from Australia to America and Europe.

 

Fortunately, we have the Southern Cross Cable going from Australia to the US, which means that in that very vast expanse of cable, there's very few devices in line. Europe, however, goes through a number of hops, which means more devices on the line - hence the large discrepancy between the US and Europe.

 

PS: For those of you who are astute, you may have realised reading this very brief and lamen's explanation of latency, that this is why at a fundamental level, regardless of what type of data is being inspected, an internet filter would slow down access to the interw3bz. All traffic would have to pass through yet another device, and that device would have to analyze that traffic before passing it on.

thanks for answers guys xD

 

and Fence uve got awesome ping i get about 270 to USA and 400 to germany from WA

Interesting about that... speed of light being just shy of 300,000 kilometers

per second...

 

 

U sure thats true Sandy? The Fuse to my lights went last night so i had to use the torch to find the spare one..... it took bloody ages to find it!

 

speed of light..... might as well been in the dark :bulb:

speed of light in a vacuum is 3^8ms-1

 

little bit slower in our atmosphere

The reason we have such high delays to the US etc. is because of all the connections in between, if it was simply a fibre cable from here to the other end we would be seeing pings like to BigD servers or lower.

Obviously that's not possible but there are ways to reduce it, for instance a cable from here to the US and from here to Europe without any stops in the path would make a big difference.

 

Remember when you connect to a US server you go Network, Modem, Exchange (On slow copper) and than 3~ jumps before the connection leaves the city and than 3~ more to leave the country than a stop or two in between and maybe half a dozen more before it gets to the actual server.

 

So the problem is not the speed of light, it is all the electrical connections and routing in-between.