Hey guys,

 

Nvidia recently realeased their new GPU's!! Wohoo (or maybe not)

Instead of the 300's being the latest and greatest, nvidia reserved 300 titles for 210 etc rebrands and renames and pushed the performance cards onto 400!!

Only 2 cards released, more affordable ($500) 470 and flagship 480 ($900)

 

 

These cards include DX11, new architectural fermiware

the 470 holding 1.2 roughly gb of VRAM and the 480 holding 1.5gb, 480 having 480 stream processors and the 470 slightly less

 

....meanwhile.... Raedion ATI or whatever they call themselves have released the 5870 awhile ago, also with G100 and DX11 and even beat the 480 on FPS in a crysis benchmark! *(by 1fps)

 

and also there has been rumor that the 400's runs really hot, and needs alot of cooling and advanced CPU's with temp detection to shut down the card when it gets too hot!!

 

 

So whats the verdict?

 

Because im planning on hopefully upgrading my computer and the ATI looks pretty good, although ive never been with anything besides Nvidia.

I loved my old nVidia card but you can get almost the exact same performance for HUNDREDS of dollars less with ATI.

 

 

No idea why nVidia charges so much.

Yes.

 

I heard they were very hot, very powergrid hungry .

They are good cards, but not as powerful as the 5890 or whatever so ATI still has the cheaper and equivelant options and the "best" one if money accepts.

Nvidia charge so much because they pretty much have a monopoly on getting developers to make games run better on their hardware than on ATi (amd) stuff

 

That FPS figure for Crysis will probably get better as they release drivers that utilise the card better out.

i personally go with ATi , heaps better for way less.

 

and there might be a clever way to get the most out of "Nvidia" games with a ATi card , of course they'll hardcode to prevent it.

 

*sigh* Nvidia will do anything to elimate competition and don't play by the rules of IMO natural selection ( you can only dominate if your product is superior )

I loved my old nVidia card but you can get almost the exact same performance for HUNDREDS of dollars less with ATI.

 

 

No idea why nVidia charges so much.

 

once again.... its like a Daewoo to a BMW ... much better design, more money goes into R&D and whilst they both do the same job, i'd have the BMW for mileage over the Daewoo !! and that is exactly what nvidia has given me... dont get to upset if you own an ati card and you can show me all the "performance comparrisons" you want but this comes down to the old Ford & Holden Banter doesn't it....

 

Each to their own i guess... only ever owned 2 Ati's and nothing but problems, never had a drama with Nvidia hence why i will never convert !

 

still not touching a noisy 400 series yet tho my card still has big balls.... ill wait to see how they go..

 

no this isnt to make an argument, its just to adds to the forum friendly banter i guess, :hi:

I've only ever had problems with Nvidia cards.. all the ATi Cards i've had have been great

just seen this thread and thought you guys might like to see the heat output of the nvidia 400 series compared to the ati 5800 series http://www.geeks3d.com/20100405/infrared-pictures-of-the-geforce-gtx-480/

as you can see it takes 2 5800 series GPUs to generate as much heat as a single 480

Edited April 6, 201015 yr by seo 2ndlast

even if I could afford it, I doubt I could keep up with all the new tech which

comes out almost weekly...

 

I run Nvidia 9800 GT 512mb - iz fine for a while... does PR just fine...

the 400 series cards are running on 40nm architecture, they are kinda ahead of their time for the die size they are using atm. They really should be on 20nm which in coming, its at this point the heat issue will be some what resolved.

 

Never the less if you have the $$ and want the best avail, do it, or if you have mega $$ get two ( huge performance boosts up to 85% in some cases when in sli, a third card will add about another 30% on top of that...

 

off to rob a bank..

The new nvidia cards are too overpriced and can't compete with ATI's current lineup. Even if the gtx 470 was the same price as a 5870 the 5870 would still be superior because it has much lower temperatures and power consumption for the same (or very similar) performance.

 

I like how AMD/ATI have always been about value and don't blow part of their revenue on mass marketing (the cost of which gets passed onto the consumer) or engaging in anti competive behaviour. Also, nvidia's naming scheme is misleading and hard to get your head around (some lower numbered graphics cards have better performance than the higher numbered ones) and ATI's naming scheme is nice and simple

I think it was a Nexus review for the 400 series I read, and they had a rather good comparison with current gen ATi and previous gen nVidia cards, price vs performance.

 

Honestly, the 400 series really appeared to be a major FAIL, unless of course, like Rooter said you have major cash on hand.

 

Otherwise you are better off sticking with what you have (unless it's ancient) or going with ATi 58xx series.

The best option for anyone with a current series card, who only has a single card, would be to try get your hands on another of your current card and slap that in Crossfire / SLi.

 

You will get nearly / better performance than getting the equivalent new model one, and it will be heaps cheaper.

 

I myself am looking for another 4870, because if I Crossfire that with my 4870, it is FASTER than buying a single 5870...

Hey guys

 

Yeh i trust nvidia, even tho their my only card brand, i still like them, ATI kinda reminds me of crazyclarks or somthing... but still

 

Like rooter said- 1.8grand will get you 3gb VRAM and 960 proccessors with the 480 SLI

 

THAT WOULD BE BEAST!!!!

 

hehe

 

see what they release, but my birthdays coming up soon so they better release it fast!!

 

I want a good card- but not a problematic card. and not somthing that theyll release major fixes for but i wont get because id have to buy a whole new card ....

 

Thanks

Like rooter said- 1.8grand will get you 3gb VRAM and 960 proccessors with the 480 SLI

 

THAT WOULD BE BEAST!!!!

 

And for 1.8 grand you could have 4gb of VRAM, 4GPUs and the one ring to rule them all. Also they wouldn't turn your room into a sauna

And for 1.8 grand you could have 4gb of VRAM, 4GPUs and the one ring to rule them all. Also they wouldn't turn your room into a sauna

 

But its cold in this concrete room

Believe it or not being loyal to a particular brand will only hurt your pocket, ATI's cards are clearly superior, all the reviews say so. Not buying one just because you haven't bought an ATI card before and you want to stay 'loyal to nvidia' is very foolish indeed.

dam they are so expensive, so glad i moved to ATI

I've had both and the only time I have had any issue with either card designing brand is when I brought cheap generic manufacturing brands. Buy which ever one you bloody well want just make sure its got good cooling and don't whinge about the price or the heat output if you buy a card that clearly is expensive and runs very HOT.

 

BTW ATI vs nVidia is like Nintendo vs Sega outdated bull **** and no one cares any more there is no good and evil they are both evil.

ahaha, yes i understand. What about the nvidia topic brought up before. I own quite a few "nvidia" games.... ATI would work on them fine? or would i have some big YOUR NOT RUNNING NVIDIA ARE YOU! watermark over my screen

"You are not running nVidia hardware. This game will now close, and your motherboard will melt into a firey pool of charcoaled circuits. In future, please consider your buying choices."

 

All that splash screen means is that the software has been optimized for nVidia hardware - I wouldn't let it worry you.

Very few games are actually optimised for nvidia cards, they'd be leaving out a large chunk of their market if they did that, most have been payed to display Nvidias 'the way it's meant to be played' slogan. It's nothing more than an advert.

Yeh- ehehe funny idea if that does happen in the future allyourbase11 because nvidia gets a huge monopoly

 

What about a gaming case?

was looking at

 

http://www.umart.com.au/newindex2.phtml?bid=4

 

or probably somthing a bit cheaper-

can anyone suggest anythin?

Antec 900 two is pretty awesome, i got one recently and love it.

Edited April 8, 201015 yr by f00bear

I like how AMD/ATI have always been about value

thats was a dicision they made a back when they were designing the 4xxx series, they knew they'd have to spend mega bucks to beat nVidia in the high end but the returns in that part of the market are very low so they decided to concentrate on the mid-low end, turns out their 'mid' range card was an absolute stonker.

 

nvidia's naming scheme is misleading and hard to get your head around (some lower numbered graphics cards have better performance than the higher numbered ones) and ATI's naming scheme is nice and simple

that is something i 100% agree with. Just take a look at the laptop market for a good example, they released the G110(iirc) then released the 'new' G210 a while later. When those doing the reviews looked into it, the 'new' chip was nearly identical to the old chip, only significant difference was the 1 getting changed to a 2 in the name. They also released the G310, which low n behold is pretty much a rebadged 210/110.

 

imho it seems to me that nVidia is just getting lazy with their product design, sure they release good cards but how ground breaking are they to their old cards? AMD/ATI at least seem to try and put new stuff into their new cards at each release.

 

[edit] - also AMD/ATI have taken a different track to nVidia in that they are aiming their drivers/tools at open APIs, not proprietry ones that require license fees etc. nVidia are also starting to go that route as well but want to hang onto their proprietry APIs and push them because, well its designed for their gear and also they get money from them.

Edited April 8, 201015 yr by Heat-seeker