Just looking for clarification of the setup of an Australian Rifle Section.

 

At http://www.awm.gov.au/atwar/structure/army_detailed_structure.asp it says:

Rifle Section:

9 Other Ranks

2 x Minimi light support weapon

1 x M79 grenade launcher

2 x 66mm rocket launcher

 

And http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platoon#Australian_organisation says that is broken into 3 fireteams.

 

Here's the layout from what I can gather.

 

SL - Corporal (Command/Scout)

LAT - Private

Medic - Private

 

Grenadier - Private (Assault)

TL1 - Lance Corporal

Auto Gunner - Private

 

LAT - Private (Support)

TL2 - Private

Auto Gunner - Private

Edited November 7, 200816 yr by TikkakoskiKP

Platoon CO- LT

Platoon 2ic- Sergeant

Platoon Signal man

 

there are 3 sections to a platoon, which are organised as followed:

 

section leader- CPL

section 2ic- LCpl

remaining seven men are privates.

 

Each section is divided into an Assault Team (3 men), Gun Team (3 men) and Command Team (3 men)

 

eg.

 

Section Leader- Cpl(command)

pvt-medic

pvt-Riflemen

 

2ic-LCpl(assault)

pvt-AT

pvt-RIflemen

 

pfc(gun)

pvt-AT

pvt-LAT

 

i presume that the command team wouldnt have a launcher and that the gun team would have the machine gun, grenade launcher could be either gun team or assault team, perhaps the assault team.

 

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so to answer your question the SL doesnt sit on his/her own, he/she is apart of the command team to make the nine man squad.

 

im gona take a guess and say this is for the arma thing your doing...i wish i had been bothered enough to sign up...next round perhaps..

Edited November 6, 200816 yr by mojito22

What about the weapon layout? Is it fixed?

 

Kinda - its actually for a mission I'm making, but it may as well be used in the campaign now you've mentioned it! :fans:

 

Don't worry, rego's will reopen soon enough - once we've got on top of things.

 

EDIT: Updated first post - how does that look?

Edited November 6, 200816 yr by TikkakoskiKP

What about the weapon layout? Is it fixed?

 

Depends on circumstance and TO & E I would imagine.

don't get too attached to those layouts guys... RAINF has just announced a major change in inf section deployments. We're moving to 4 man "bricks" now - the changes are being introduced very shortlt (I think) to coincide with the new G-wagon deployments next year. 2x4 man bricks = 1 section...

Section consists of:

* 2 riflemen as part of the Scout group

* 1 section commander (in some cases, the scout group and the section commander are considered the command group)

* 1 gunner, section 2IC and 1 rifleman as part of the Gun group (section 2IC is the signalmen)

* 2 riflemen, 1 rifleman/gunner as part of the Assault group

 

This order is the exact order a section will be formed up in when moving in a single file.

 

The LSW gunners are armed with the LSW F89, while

the rest of the section are to be armed with the IW Steyr F88.

One rifleman in the assault group carries the M79 as well

as their IW until a suitable replacement is introduced for the

M79.

 

Can't find anything on the LAW as yet.

 

edit:

 

TL2 - Private First Class (Gun)

 

Aus don't have PFC as a rank btw

Edited November 6, 200816 yr by Stoked24

Any indication as to why Bammo? Seems a little less flexible, plus you lose the firepower of another man.

I'm sure the US has some form of influence on this move since they're based on 4 man 'fire teams'.

I'm sure the US has some form of influence on this move since they're based on 4 man 'fire teams'.

 

Was just going to say this. 2 x 4 man fireteams + 1 squad leader.

 

 

EDIT: Hey bammo, kinda off topic, and I don't know if they were teaching this kinda stuff when you were in, but do you know if Army is being taught button hook entries for rooms or it is more kinda slice the pie type stuff?

Edited November 6, 200816 yr by hous_bin_farteen

I'll need to find it but I have a magazine explaining the new layout that Bammo was talking about I'll update you when I find it.

Aus don't have PFC as a rank btw

 

Yeah, I went with that cause I thought Gun^er knew what he was talking about!

 

So scrim-reaper, did you get that off the net? If so, can I have the URL.

don't get too attached to those layouts guys... RAINF has just announced a major change in inf section deployments. We're moving to 4 man "bricks" now - the changes are being introduced very shortlt (I think) to coincide with the new G-wagon deployments next year. 2x4 man bricks = 1 section...

 

About time they learnt from Armoured Corps

I'm sure the US has some form of influence on this move since they're based on 4 man 'fire teams'.

 

Not really, it's simply a better way of moving around.

 

The problem with formations is you have to consider your firing arcs and how many guns you have pointed in any give direction at any time.

 

The way formation will give you maximum weapons in all directions and all times so that regardless of where you're contacted from, you have the immediate fire power to suppress and move your troops to where they're needed.

Yes they are definitely moving to 4 man teams right up the line. And yes they did get influence from the US. The 4 element system works very well especially when most of those elements field understrength. The other advantage is the 2 x 2 man buddy system which is fantastic in FIBUA ops.

 

And the LCpl listed above in the Assault group often can lead the Gun Group. The key is to be flexible and overlap roles. Seco's will often move bodies around for training and experience as they see fit. It is their section afterall and its no good if the Sig goes down and no one knows how to turn the radio on.

Edited November 6, 200816 yr by CopMurda187Yo

And the LCpl listed above in the Assault group often can lead the Gun Group.

So its sounds like the setup is fairly flexible depending on circumstances.

 

I read today that SOP during Vietnam was for Anti-tank to work in pairs - is this still the case today? Does that put both LAT into Assault Team?

Yeah, I went with that cause I thought Gun^er knew what he was talking about!

 

So scrim-reaper, did you get that off the net? If so, can I have the URL.

well i didnt exactly know the rank, but i simply put it there to indicate that most likely a TL would be a rank above.

 

Private Proficient, close enough to PFC

 

http://www.alldownunder.com/oz-k/government/australian-military-ranks.htm

 

I read today that SOP during Vietnam was for Anti-tank to work in pairs - is this still the case today? Does that put both LAT into Assault Team?

 

dout it, you wouldnt have one team carry all the goodies, if they get pinned down by a light vehicle how are the other 2 teams going to counter it effectively?

Edited November 6, 200816 yr by mojito22

 

So scrim-reaper, did you get that off the net? If so, can I have the URL.

 

Hehe, I only know this from being an army cadet of 6 years..

 

I 'could' scan you my notes but i'm afraid my handwriting leaves much to be desired

 

oh btw, I just finished my HCSs!:blowup:

 

 

edit: a more graphical chart of Aus' military ranks

 

http://rapidshare.com/files/161363329/Rank_Poster_Landscape.pdf.html

 

(had to upload it to rapidshare since the forum didn't allow anything over 19.5kb)

Edited November 7, 200816 yr by Stoked24

isn't it HSC? or is HCSs something different (o:

Hehe, I only know this from being an army cadet of 6 years..

 

I 'could' scan you my notes but i'm afraid my handwriting leaves much to be desired

 

oh btw, I just finished my HCSs!:blowup:

 

 

I can vouch for Scrim, they do teach you this in Cadets they set you up from DAY 1. I was 2nd section gunner because Im brough shouldered.

sounds like cadets is more like training child soldiers lol

 

its HSC, nothing goes by HCS, i got my last exam on wednesday...then off to goldy for schoolies

thanks Aussie

 

HSC i meant. I don't think I've slept all night

 

just to add onto that bit about who leads the groups, found this little quote in another pile of notes:

 

The section commander usually moves with the rifle group. Onemanin

any group which is not commanded by an NCO acts as the leader.

 

edit:

sounds like cadets is more like training child soldiers lol

just having fun in a military setting

Edited November 7, 200816 yr by Stoked24

Cheers guys - I've updated the first post - I'm sure thats enough to keep me going.

 

If its wrong, just let me know!

itll do

 

now hurry and make that mission,i wana try it out lol

sounds like cadets is more like training child soldiers lol

 

What else are they suppost to teach us?

 

Remember that its CADETS they are supposed to teach us nearly EVERYTHING to do with the Army,Navy or Air Force.

sounds like cadets is more like training child soldiers lol

 

What else are they suppost to teach us?

 

Remember that its CADETS they are supposed to teach us nearly EVERYTHING to do with the Army,Navy or Air Force.

 

no wounder that army guy looked at me suspiciously after he asked me if i was in cadets and i replied no because i knew how to hold the styer and change the fire modes :cowboy: