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A Plan for a better Server and a better Gaming Experience

Hello everyone.

 

*DISCLAIMER: This post is strictly my opinion, and is in no way affiliated with any other members or groups of the community*

 

May I start by stating that this will be a long post. If you won't take the time to read it, I urge you not to make assumptions or spam it, and to browse something else.

 

If you've made it this far may I would like to stress that this is not a mere complaint thread. Rather, I aim for it to be a comprehensive analysis into the current player experience and my plan to improve it.

 

Now, onto the analysis.

 

There is no denying that the server at the current time is an issue. Be it slight jitters, to erratic shaking to just plain dropping out, the server is the reason for the recent miserable experience gamers are having. Anyone who has played TacticalGamer recently can attest to this - the only lag you will suffer is ping based lag, such as shaking hit registration. We cannot hide or run from this fact, and as much as everyone tries to blame maps and players and whatnot, it is pretty clear that the hosting itself is just plain bad.

 

I haven't been in this community for all that long. From what I have gathered though, BigD was once sponsored by GamingSA, whose servers were excellent and very reliable. Once GSA went down, it was soon converted to a GamingAU server, and BigD followed suit. Unfortunately, the quality of the server didn't follow, and this leads us to the situation we have today.

 

As most would know, there are currently 2 BigD GamingAU servers running.

Mixed Maps and Random Maps.

 

I'd like to quickly point out two important graphs, which can be found with a quick search at http://www.gamemonitor.com

 

This is the player count for Server number two in the last month, which is considerably more popular.

 

http://module.game-monitor.com/113.212.96.207:16568/graph/tz:11/player.png?key=3dd0b966edebc75d33a8ba80d67d0f95&d=1m&42918642

 

As you can see, the average player count hovers around 40-60 people, which has obviously picked up in the last week.

 

And this is server number one.

 

http://module.game-monitor.com/113.212.96.206:16567/graph/tz:11/player.png?key=30531fe68983885a62ae4e8823f76fa5&d=1m&42918642

 

As you can see, this server hovers at around 15-20 people, which is pretty pathetic for a PR server. In the past month it has risen to around 40 people per night, but this is constantly dropping. Prior to the patch it was dead empty. The server is also prone to constant crashing and the same lag we are now experiencing.

 

Which brings me to my first suggestion.

 

BigD should only utilize one 64 player server

 

The main purpose of this is to save money. Money that will be utilized for my next suggestion, which is a big one.

 

Most people won't have looked at server prices in recent years.

If we go to GamingAU's website here, we are able to discern some really interesting information:

 

 

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For every slot on a GAU BF2 Modded server, it is $5.50 a month.

For 64 players, it's $352 a server. Each. Times that by two and add in a $35 a month Teamspeak server, and you are looking at a whopping $739

EVERY MONTH.

 

I've whipped up a quick Pro's and Cons for GAU.

 

Pros:

-Long standing history with BigD.

-Already established.

 

Cons:

-Pricey

-Poor Quality Servers

 

Now, obviously this is not the case for BigD. From what I understand, GAU provides their servers for free, and BigD donates the money they receive from the community. This varies in amount, but from what I have seen, it usually above $150 a month.

 

I say $150 because it brings me to my next suggestion....

 

BigD cuts their ties with GamingAU as their sponsor

 

Why should the community constantly donate to inferior servers? They constantly crash and are on hardware that prohibits complete gameplay and things such as BattleRecorder.

Another look on Game Monitor here shows that the server has an uptime rate of just 93%. That may sound decent, but when you calculate it, this means that on an average of 1 hour and 40 minutes every day, the second server is down. (Do note that the accuracy of this stat is somewhat questionable)

 

Here are some alternatives that I feel should definitely be considered.

 

Hypernia

 

Probably the biggest server provider in the world, Hyperina's voice servers are dead cheap. BigD currently runs a Teamspeak of 100 slots, which on GamingAU costs $33 a month (source). On the other hand, Hypernia's 100 slot Teamspeak servers cost just $25 USD per month (Which is around the same for the AUD, given the exchange rate). This is obviously a saving of $8 per month.

 

I am not entirely sure as to whether their servers can be modded, but for a 64 slot server, it would put the community back $1.99 a slot, for a price of $128

 

A Pro's and Con's for Hypernia would be:

 

Pros:

-Reliable

-Good Quality Servers

-Cheap

 

Cons:

-Possiby don't allow modded servers

-Could be too large to allow constant PR fixes and patches to be applied.

 

The other suggestion for a Game/Voice Server Provider is Gamearena. They're very well established, reliable (their servers average just a 2-3% downtime rate, compared to 7% for BigD), but more importantly, they have a long standing relationship with the Battlefield 2 Community. A deal could potentially be struck up with them, but regardless, they have some strong deals on their servers.

 

Their Teamspeak servers are running at $35 for 100 slots. Yes this is more expensive that GAU, but if a deal could be arranged for a Game Server / TS combo, the overall cost may turn out lower.

 

My focus on Gamearena is for their Battlefield servers. Most people who have played on them know they don't lag or go down often. They have cheap prices on their game servers, and are more likely easier to negotiate with than Hypernia.

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/7103/serverprice2.png

 

A Pro's and Con's for Gamearena would be:

 

Pros:

-Cheap

-Reliable

-Established with the Australian Battlefield Community

 

Cons:

-Possibly don't allow modded BF2 servers.

 

No matter how it works out, with one server, BigD is very likely to attain both cheaper prices in addition to better quality servers. A Hypernia TS and Gamerarena Server combo would be cheapest at just $145 per month.

 

Web Hosting

 

Web Hosting is another issue, but is likely the least worrying of the three issues. It would be very easy to host a site like this, and could be done by a community member with a small server box. Alternatively, the community could rent one out, and no matter what, it will not cost any more than the remaining $55 of the budget per month.

 

Summary/ TLDR Version

 

By switching to just one game server, the community is able to save money that is generally wasted every month. Furthermore, by cutting BigD's ties with GamingAU, we should generally find not only will the average cost every month will fall, but both gameplay quality and donations should go up. I know personally, I refuse to donate to a server that is of poor quality and constantly crashes. I, amongst others, would feel more motivated to donate if the server was of better quality. Regardless of whether or not we are able to strike up a deal, money can be saved and the community should benefit. There are a ton of server providers out there, and so our options are obviously not limited to just GA and Hypernia.

 

Thankyou for taking the time to read this post. Once again, I stress that it is my personal opinion, and that I am merely exploring the possibility of another server/teamspeak host. If you have any other suggestions or information that I am unaware of, please let me know.

 

Regards,

Jestar

"I consider myself to be charismatic, rambunctious and hip, to be square.

 

Most of the community and the admins however found you to be highly irritating .

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I'm all for a new server and will chip in money if I know it will be spent well.
I'm all for a new server and will chip in money if I know it will be spent well.

As am I.

What if it just certain maps causing server lag. Such as Wanda Shan and Kokan. Cause this arvo Kokan lagged but Beirut didn't
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What if it just certain maps causing server lag. Such as Wanda Shan and Kokan. Cause this arvo Kokan lagged but Beirut didn't

 

The server lags on nearly every map at the moment. More importantly, as I stated, TacticalGamer and other servers do not suffer the lag we currently do. It is clearly a server issue.

"I consider myself to be charismatic, rambunctious and hip, to be square.

 

Most of the community and the admins however found you to be highly irritating .

I'm all for a server change, just thinking is it worth it if a server hotfix is coming out and might fix it
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I've said previously that I'd support a different server arrangement if it brought us two stable servers, whatever that is. Unfortunately an unstable server is borderline counter-productive in terms of growing the core numbers of player in our community. Have we done a test to see if it is indeed the server or PR? Surely if one server can work fine (except on specific maps) it must the be hardware?

 

Thanks for posting some factual info Jestar to further this discussion.

Perhaps we should arrange a night of playing on the GuN server :/ to compare Different servers

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Moving servers won't happen.

 

Don't be so naive.

 

Why? Because we have full control of the current servers (remote access, unlimited admins, etc),

 

Fully possible with any other server provider.

 

along with actually not paying for the servers(game AND Teamspeak), only passing on donations that are collected here on the forum.

 

Which is like saying that we pay for servers.

"I consider myself to be charismatic, rambunctious and hip, to be square.

 

Most of the community and the admins however found you to be highly irritating .

Your TL;DR is TL;DR
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Fully possible with any other server provider.

 

As a Former Admin, who was around during the time of GamingSA merging off with 3FL and the little crisis we had, I can tell you we looked at all options, including whether server providers like gamearena, internode, etc would give us full access to the files and all programs, not one did.

 

Some operating issues with a PR Server require ongoing tweaking of server files, plus a good example for you is the recent 0.957B server-side hotfix that was released for all servers, I can assure you a commerical-run server would not have been updated within acouple hours of its release.

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I would like to see what we have fixed.

 

 

I have seen this on other servers too. Its not an isolated case or just Big D related. So 5 days into a new patch and calling for a new server makes me wonder why we are trying to insult and bite the hand that feeds us so early. Trouble shooting can take time. its just the way it is........

The good fighters of old first put themselves beyond the possibility of defeat, and then waited for an opportunity of defeating the enemy.

Sun Tzu

 

 

 

speaking of which has 0.957b been applied ? i thought change log said all tickets are doubled i havent seen double tickets yet

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Great work Jester its good to see the community trying to benefit the community.

 

Definitely a good idea and I am sure Gamearena would give us the file access we needed if we where to place a BigPong logo on this site. Would have to send a well worded email to the head admin of course.

 

Might I propose another strategy.. List the hardware requirements and I will get a price on ex government hardware from my contacts, for something that would run our server, TS and website should be well under $1000, maybe even $600.

All that is required than is a slot in a Data centre which should be cheaper than paying for all the services separately and we may be able to get some sort of benefits for that out of this community? Or some form of advertising to reduce our costs?

This option gives us 100% control over all the services if that is an issue posed by other providers.

 

Krazier - You will find that these servers have never been at a standard we would all love to see since the change over from GSA.

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I would like to see what we have fixed.

 

 

I have seen this on other servers too. Its not an isolated case or just Big D related. So 5 days into a new patch and calling for a new server makes me wonder why we are trying to insult and bite the hand that feeds us so early. Trouble shooting can take time. its just the way it is........

 

These issues were before the patch. It isn't the patch. Its the server.

"I consider myself to be charismatic, rambunctious and hip, to be square.

 

Most of the community and the admins however found you to be highly irritating .

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The good fighters of old first put themselves beyond the possibility of defeat, and then waited for an opportunity of defeating the enemy.

Sun Tzu

 

 

 

what happens when we dont get the donations required?

The server shuts down?

 

The community wasnt donating anything before, the HAs paid out of their own pockets. And the point about a donation is that its something that we do because of the cost that a BF2 server would incur at GAU, which we get for free.

 

Stay with GAU imo, the patch has increased server lag, and we should see whats happening with any fixes before we do anything.

Remember, we can always leave GAU but can we come back and have such a sweet deal going?

DON'T YOU CLUCK WITH ME, BUDDY!

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what happens when we dont get the donations required?

The server shuts down?

 

The community wasnt donating anything before, the HAs paid out of their own pockets. And the point about a donation is that its something that we do because of the cost that a BF2 server would incur at GAU, which we get for free.

 

Stay with GAU imo, the patch has increased server lag, and we should see whats happening with any fixes before we do anything.

Remember, we can always leave GAU but can we come back and have such a sweet deal going?

 

I guess - but that has the counter argument that if the performance stays bad then there won't be a server anyway.

 

The server wasn't stellar before the patch either which is another thing to note.

 

But it is free with the donations (for now) so that counts for a lot. Kinks need working out of the latest patch - give it time.

http://i.imgur.com/E1qdM.png
give it time.

 

What I was trying to say.

DON'T YOU CLUCK WITH ME, BUDDY!

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After that night I started peeing out the window to avoid going down the hallway when it was dark.
What I was trying to say.

 

And also me. *Brofist*

http://i.imgur.com/E1qdM.png

 

Which brings me to my first suggestion.

 

BigD should only utilize one 64 player server

 

 

The first issue arises here when scrim season starts again. What are the bulk of the community that a) cbf or b) have no interest in clan scrims to do once the scrims start taking over the server in peak times? If I recall this was the point that was made when we originally reverted back to 2 servers rather than 3 (correct me if I'm wrong here).

 

along with actually not paying for the servers(game AND Teamspeak), only passing on donations that are collected here on the forum.

Which is like saying that we pay for servers.

 

No, it's more like saying the community once given the chance felt putting something back into a service that was given for free for (at least the 2 years I've been here) an extended period of time was the right thing to do. There were even a couple of stages where the bulk of the donations were coming from the admins themselves - what happens when these donations stop by the community on a server that we actually need to pay for?

im fairly certain that its not the actual hardware of the server that is the issue here, iirc the server box got a big upgrade not to long back, our main choke point is our bandwidth/internet. it is nowhere near that of overseas servers hence the major difference, rubber banding is (as i recall) due to the network load and not so much hardware...

 

plus GAU has done SO much for this community leaving it for a meh reason like this would be sorta a kick in the balls imho.

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There were even a couple of stages where the bulk of the donations were coming from the admins themselves - what happens when these donations stop by the community on a server that we actually need to pay for?

 

Yep, everyone is keen until hard times crop up. I doubt that we would have got through 0.91 unless it was free. Some nights no one was playing!

 

Game play or whatever you pin the blame on it would have been a stretch to pay for a server through those last few months.

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