fellers i would just like to express my utter disgust in the resent "Anti War" critics that will be protesting against our troops doing the Joint training excise in North Queensland soon. I wanna first start my ramble with these mungrals that want to protest against it i can almost guarantee almost every single one of them have had some form a a family member that has:

1. Served in the ADF

2. Fought for the freedom of Australia and its ppl

3. Have fought and died for the country

 

Then to have these mungrals (btw thats a nice way i am putting it for the sheer fact i cant say what i want to on the forums) so to have these little mungra turn around and protest war and this training excise is basicly throwing what our for fathers have done strait back in there face as if to say F U. I as a ex serving member of the ADF find this as a personal attack on both my self and my mates. I have been out there i have killed and been wounded for my country, then to have self centered mungrals come and say that we are doing the wrong thing is completly insulting.

 

If it wasnt for war this would be your flag.

http://www.soubry.fr/Picts/ja-japan-flag.gif

 

If theres anyone on these forums that plan to go to these protests dont forget to come pay me a visit on the way i promise you i will:

1. Change your mind

2. Smash your head in till you take it back

 

They have NO idea what its like to fight for both your life but to also serve your country and to keep the poeple of Australia safe. Theres more i want to say but i will get in trouble. All i am going to say is dont ever let me catch someone protesting agaist WARs and agaist our Defense Force coz i will not hesitate to make it a day you will never forget.

 

War is bad i know... death in any form is bad and i agree there but without it you would not be here and if you were this country would be under jap control and you would not have the freedom that is seen today.

 

Sorry for the ramble but this is close to me and i find it extremly offenssive that someone can tell me that what i have gone through is wrong and that it never should have happened.

 

Would love to hear what everyone else thinks about this

-tonnie

Who will they be training with?

Talisman Sabre isnt it?

 

Think it usually has the US, Singapore, ADF (of cors) and i think NZ and UK?

 

[edit] just refering to what you said before Tonnie about most ppl having someone in their family who has served etc, my Grandpop's brothers served in WW1, one was killed when his mg bunker was direct hit by artillery, cant recall if the others where KIA/WIA or not and my father served in the PNGVR. Father-inlaw served in 13th Btn(?) as a cook during his nation service. Currently have two mates in the RAA, one who is flying Chinooks in Afghanistan (had 2 tours i know of) and one currently doing BFT before moving onto flying choppers as well. Have another mate who is in the RAAF getting ready to deploy to Iraq some time soon.

 

http://www.pngvr.com/history_pngvr.html

Edited July 6, 200915 yr by Heat-seeker

Tonnie - I'm sorry you're going through this.

 

Whilst people may personally disagree and fundamentally be "Anti War" there are certan things which we must trust our political masters to make the right decisions about. That's why they get paid the big bucks. But it's because of guys like you we can sleep at night.

 

Some things are just sancrosanct - and it's not for anybody who hasn't put themselves into that position to question the necesity of it.

Hya Tonnie,

 

I'm ex Inf mate and served in Rwanda, Papua etc...even got some pretty ribbons and a shiny piece or two of steel for it

 

I have no beef with them protesting Anti war...lets face it..if youve been there you'd know and unless civvies make the point that they want wars to end..they never will....every soldier hates the peace loving hippies mate..dont let em get to ya, you and I both know that we've helped alot of people who'd be stuffed without our service

 

You gotta admit if youve served overseas in peacekeeping etc...Aussies usually draw the short straw as far as ops go and get the badjobs...hanging around a base, in 3rd world conditions doing sweet all 90% of the time...dont get me wrong our engineers etc..do brilliant work, but the grunts themselves are ill used...but then again our mere presence there is doing something...as you know this is due to our govt. trying to minimize aussie casualties in order to avoid it flaring up in the media and creating a negative opinion...let some other country have the jobs and give the worlds most trained diggers the decent gigs instead of sending in soldiers who know all about what theyre doing. Now thats a protest i'd join...if youre gonna send us there, let us do our jobs.

 

Dont get me wrong, i believe that sometimes you gotta use the big hammer to sort out and anyone who wants to have a go at our soldiers should piss off to la la land..what we do and have done whether publisized or not is brilliant work...unlike the yanks.

 

So if theyre protesting Anti war..good on em, if everyone on the planet felt the same way it would be utopia...fact is not everyone does feel the same way and until they do, our diggers will be ready to go and sort out, without destroying half a country and if anyone protests over that...theyre naive

 

If theyre protesting our involvment...which they probably are then they obviously havent served...a digger gets real itchy and feels incomplete unless he serves overseas at least once..no-one joins the grunts to sit at a base for the rest of their career....thats what REMF's are for and if this is what theyre on about, again theyre naive...we need an "experienced" military force to keep sharp

 

p.s. What Unit did you serve in and when?..might have known/served with ya in RL

Edited July 6, 200915 yr by kevinmiller

You have to realise that they're not protesting against the soldiers, but rather the politics behind it - something the ADF has no real say in. This isn't Vietnam where the civilian population take it out on the soldiers, people are a lot more educated now and you shouldn't take the protests (which I didn't even know about) as an insult towards yourself or any other ADF member for that matter.

 

Our defence force is always highly respected - but when the people that sit back behind desks in an office are calling you into places where you don't have to be, that is what they would be protesting about.

Agree...we dont have the budget or the man power to get involved in extended operations...America can afford to, but if they can get us to do the work and foot the bill for them...they will and have and then get us to rebuild once theyve stopped smashing stuff...footing the bill for that too.

 

This doesnt take away what the diggers have done...not by any means...just how the brass works.

 

The issue thats being raised is...have we done our jobs over there? Most people say yes and lets bring our lads home...recent Taliban activity suggests that maybe its not over yet, so they should STFU until the Taliban is wiped out completely, I dont think some civvies realize that not everything makes the news and perhaps theres more going on over there than they realize

Edited July 6, 200915 yr by kevinmiller

I think that there's a pretty big line that divides Anti-War, and Anti-Soldier. Once you cross that line, in my eyes, there is no redeeming yourself short of joining the armed forces and doing a tour yourself.

 

If you're against the war, that's fine. Voice your opinion. Whinge and moan about as many politicians as you want, as they're the ones making the decisions ... but don't EVER attack our soldiers, or try to involve them in the Anti-War protests.

Edited July 6, 200915 yr by efgh146

Are they protesting against the soldiers or the government? if its the government fair enough (not saying I agree with them, but thats free speech) but if they are having a go at the soldiers its out of line. I never get why some people try and point the finger at the soldiers (post Vietnam where the US troops were shunned), they aren't the ones sitting in a cushy chair half-asleep in parliament deciding how to use our manpower.

Well i am not a big fan of the government either , but dishing it out on the people who only carried out orders is unfair. They're not "evil minions" and i don't think Hippies or Greenies have learned anything since the sixties

 

i don't get the protests about Afghanistan , what the Taliban/Al-Qeada have done justifies action.

 

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Meh as long as people are just expressing their opinion and no abuse (verbal, psychological or physical) is intended nor inflicted, it shouldn't be a big issue. People have differing opinions, that's what makes the world an interesting place to live in (although some are more different than others).

As a reminder.

 

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A quote from our local paper (The morning bulletin - rockhampton 4/7/09). There is no need for him to do these antics every goddamn year.

 

PROTESTERS have been put on notice that they will need deep pockets if they follow through with plans to sabotage the military exercise Talisman Saber.

Rockhampton police yesterday warned protesters against the deliberate activation of a distress beacon, saying they faced heavy financial penalties.

The warning comes after seasoned protester Bryan Law told The Morning Bulletin earlier this week he planned to set off a GPS beacon to halt the joint Australian and US military exercise in Shoalwater Bay, which starts on Monday.

Rockhampton District Officer Superintendent Trevor Wockner said he was dismayed that anyone would consider deliberately activating distress beacons in a non-emergency situation.

“One prosecution for a false activation of an EPIRB can result in a person ordered to pay $20,000 costs and a $5000 fine,” he said.

Superintendent Wockner said it would not only be criminal, but morally irresponsible for anyone to deliberately activate an emergency beacon in a non-emergency situation.

“It potentially places at risk the safety, well-being or lives of those genuinely in distress or the emergency responders who often risk life and limb to locate them,” he said.

Mr Law yesterday said he was prepared to “face injury or death for his beliefs” and $20,000 was nothing.

“I doubt there is anything short of my arrest and detention that will deter me from setting it (an emergency beacon) off,” he said.

“If you could save a life by spending $20,000 would you do it?” he said.

“They know who we are and what we are doing; all they have to do is stop the exercise.”

 

Todays headline was them planning to lay down covered in red paint to simulate blood/casualties at the open day in front of a howitzer - where kids attend. They were forced to just use red cloth, oh woe is them...

 

Do the two underlined statements contradict each other. If someone else drowns because of the clown and his antics what then?

These are anti soldier activists.

 

They are the sort who gets their rocks off spitting on soldiers.

 

I wish we could just shoot the buggers.

Too much emotion and not enough logic.....not a good way to debate anything...not touching this one

 

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Nothing wrong with protesting against war, people always always have that right.

 

What is wrong is blaming soldiers. No matter what happens, you support the young guys who are out there risking their lives every day regardless of why they're there. No matter who sent them and for whatever reason, they deserve support and praise. They're simply doing their jobs, and there is a distinct difference between war protesting and insulting soldiers.

 

If I might quote the prolific Jack Johnson "Shock and awful thing to make somebody think/ that they have to choose pushing for peace/ or supporting the troops"

 

 

Edit: Glad to see that the other guys in this thread are smart people who can also make this distinction.

Edited July 6, 200915 yr by Sgt-JoeKickAss

Sabotaging a military training exercise is stupid, for sure. But I don't think they are protesting the soldiers and what they stand for, more for what they do at the behest of the Government. Just misguided, and stupid if we need to say it again.

 

This current war, has just as bad a reputation as the Vietnam War. A war in a faraway place, with little to no perceived threat to the soldier's originating country, run by politicians under alleged false pretences. It's a Public Relations nightmare if the public only see the death and destruction (thanks in part to the mass media) and none of the tangible gains.

 

But, unfortunately, one cannot argue in these threads unless they are, or have served. Apparently, the civvies just don't understand...

 

If it wasnt for war this would be your flag.

If you weren't fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq, would we be under their flags? No, never. WW2 and the Japanese threat was a real one to this country. You can't compare them. The German threat was a dominant one to Great Britain.

 

If you weren't fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq, would we be under their flags? No, never. WW2 and the Japanese threat was a real one to this country. You can't compare them. The German threat was a dominant one to Great Britain.

 

i was talking about war at all at anytime. What i was saying is just an example if the government didnt stand up and sent men to protect Australia agaist the Japs but thats an example.

They protest wars themselves as a general rule whilst a minority also attack the idea of Americans/Singaporeans training on Australian soil with Aussie troops and our government for allowing it.

i was talking about war at all at anytime. What i was saying is just an example if the government didnt stand up and sent men to protect Australia agaist the Japs but thats an example.

Hence why it's a different situation. Australian 'Defence' Force. Given the opportunity, if we had to defend this country against a real threat, protesters would be few and far between. It's tangible and there is a need.

 

I'm all for removing a regime where innocent suffer but defence of Australia, it is not. That's one reason why people protest. Though, that sentence is partially incorrect. There is the off-chance that there could be a 'terrorist' attack, battling in Iraq and Afghanistan wouldn't reduce that threat, just exacerbate it.

 

Insurgents, in a different light, are freedom fighters.

i was talking about war at all at anytime. What i was saying is just an example if the government didnt stand up and sent men to protect Australia agaist the Japs but thats an example.

So your saying two things now? First you say that these protesters are protesting against the troops, but also against the war? Which is it?

 

SOP also has a valid point which you still fail to realise. In WWII there was an Immediate Valid Threat to Australia and it's People.

 

You can't compare these two events, they are nothing alike. Now are the protesters protesting about the troops? Protesting about foreign troops on Australian soil? Protesting about the training operation? Or protesting about the war, which I presume is Iraq/Afghanistan?

 

Also I would be quite happy to come visit you if you so desired. If a beating is all I get out of it, then I win, because you then are no better then your hatred. If you cannot verbalise what you want, then you fail.

 

The argument for intimidation is a confession of intellectual impotence - Ayn Rand

Hence why it's a different situation. Australian 'Defence' Force. Given the opportunity, if we had to defend this country against a real threat, protesters would be few and far between. It's tangible and there is a need.

 

What exactly is a real threat? I can think of two specific instances where home ground has been attacked (not Aust but our allies) and these to the families involved I think were and still would be real threats.

 

Insurgents' date=' in a different light, are freedom fighters.[/quote']

 

Whose freedom are we talking about. At any point, unless peace is achieved, of which in this case has a minimal chance of actually occurring, there will always be two points of view for freedom. The enemy and the allies. Whose is right?

Edited July 6, 200915 yr by rohan11221

the world is a changing place..........as the USA loses it's grip on the world, some one will fill the void. if we are friends with them (and we are) we will have new enemies. it is hard for people to understand what is going on, the protester just don't get it. that's why they are there. they can't change nothing.