So the question was raised when a big red drove into US main on operation archer destroying a heuy, 3 humvees 1 truck and a hanful of infantry.

 

my question is does driving a car bomb into a Main fall into the category of shooting into a main?

 

ive heard that it is allowed and others its not, since no admins are on im taking it to the community to clear the confusion.

 

ignore the question on the poll, I wrote the answers first >.<

Edited June 21, 200915 yr by mojito22

It is allowed. It falls under the category of the 'sabotage' rules on attacking an un-cap.

Its legit but i dont like it, its an uncap for a reason.

 

Insurgents are supposed to be defending caches

Coalition is supposed to be hutning caches not defending their main against a string of attacks.

 

Just my view but meh. Server rules say legit

I think its ok, as long as its done in moderation...

shouldnt it be No , its the same as shooting into main ?

im confused

I say if you can get a big red past all the troops, humvees etc that are leaving main you kinda deserve to get a few kills. it's not like you're a small target or anything!

the fact is that there is also a no go zone in and around the base, which is there to stop enemies flooding the base.

 

So either way the driver is going out of bounds against the maps rules itself to 'sabotage'.

 

same as grenade traps and mines on fallujah, its alright if they dont enter the base and place them outside but if they go inside its a no-no.

 

shouldnt the same rule apply?

 

btw its not that hard on insurgency to get to the US main, remember that its not a linear map, most of the team is often not near the main to begin with as they are finding caches.

Edited June 21, 200915 yr by mojito22

mount those Guns, and defend. it's a low thing to do, but you can do it. just for a Red Flag:wacko:

 

 

http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq162/paulwar2/screen079.jpg

Edited June 21, 200915 yr by Pudgeinabowl

Its legit and should never be banned.

 

Insurgents in real life wouldn't care for this type of rule would they? They attack fortified bases all the time, we should be able to do the same in-game.

sounds like sour grapes to me . kudos to the man who can get that beast in there without failing .

Well under the server rule at http://www.bigdgaming.net/rules/

 

"DO NOT SPAWN CAMP/ATTACK UNCAPPABLE FLAGS IN VEHICLES AT ANY TIME"

 

Big Red is a vehicle and it is being used to attack an uncappable flag.

 

I believe it shouldn't be allowed.

yes, it shouldn't be allowed because where do you draw the line. you can have vehicles lining up and bombing helicopters and what not, all round long.

 

the rules state that you can't attack uncaps, it should be black and white, even the sabotage rule should be considered to be removed.

 

either allow attacking uncaps, which can amount to covering spawns and killing people when they spawn in, or just get rid of it all together.

It's a fair enough tactic in a realistic sense. In a maturity sense I think it's about one of the lowest points in the game. It's the same as setting up an apc outside an insurgent main and hitting them once they're across the street. "Oh woe is me, I'm being spawn camped," is all you hear. The mains are not equipped well enough to defend themselves against enemy attacks and nor should they need to be.

YAY I was waiting for someone to read the rules.

 

Although that refers more to driving into an uncap in a tank for instance and opening up on everything inside.

 

We have been lenient when it comes to insurgency maps,as it is a legitimate insurgent tactic,and as long as it is not done repeatedly we don't intend (atm) to change that.

Although it would definitely make things easier for those who are Admining,in fact its very tempting..........as I for one am getting tired of all the carry on regarding this issue and the shooting into an uncap issue as well.

 

It says VERY CLEARLY that "Shooting into an Uncapable Flag is not acceptable behaviour "...yet for some reason this isn't clear enough for many people.

 

The "Oh but I was just returning fire" excuse does not cut it...I put the message on the servers for that reason in particular,so no one should be in any doubt as to whether you can .

 

NO YOU CAN'T

 

This is not about what you feel you should be allowed to do as a player on the particular maps that this issue constantly gets argued about in game.

This is simply so there is a clear rule on it and to allow the admins to get a chance to play themselves without having to spend the whole round trying to police it.

 

The Official rules page will be updated in the near future regarding this and the Bomb attacks on insurgency maps.

I really hate it when people bring up these "realism" arguments, when they've never been deployed and/or aren't military professionals.

 

In "real life" the BluFor would have rediculously more man power than 64 people.

In "real life" the BluFor would have road blocks and Vehicle Control Points (or check points, whatever floats your boat) set up.

In "real life" the BluFor would have a defensive garrison, who was charged with defending the base 24/7.

 

There's a reason you hear about bases being mortar'd and hand grenaded more than hit with vehicle born IED's. If it's such a "realistic" and common occurance, why do we rarely hear about it?

 

As to whether it's a valid tactic or not in game, I don't know. I'd be tempted to ask the Dev's what their intent was with the Insurgents and simply enforce their design intent.

Edited June 21, 200915 yr by efgh146

 

There's a reason you hear about bases being mortar'd and hand grenaded more than hit with vehicle born IED's. If it's such a "realistic" and common occurance, why do we rarely hear about it?

 

 

 

You don't hear about it because in areas other than where Australia has been based it's an every day occurrence.

 

The other reason you do not often hear about it is quite simple, most of the times they miss.

 

Of course, you can dismiss me like you do but then the people who trained me where all veterans of Yugoslavia and it was still raging when I was in.

 

 

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/5_Afghans,_Canadian_soldier_injured_in_mortar_attack

 

The centre is reported to be the frequent target of small arms fire, mortars and rocket propelled grenades. There is no word on the victims as of 19:54 UTC.

 

http://www.gmanews.tv/story/154923/Pinoy-carpenter-killed-another-injured-in-Afghanistan-mortar-attack

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/08/AR2009060803763.html

 

I can go on and on and on.

 

Fighting season has also just started, it's not winter in that part of the world. These are just the news worthy examples.

 

 

When is your deployment date to get some first hand experience?

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSSYD203751

 

1550 is not a lot of first hand experience to spread around the ADF either.

 

 

It's a valid and difficult tactic. Plus quite simply it's fun and adds some realistic chaos.

Edited June 21, 200915 yr by Snazzy

On Karbala before the Apache spawned I used to park a truck infront of the gate so nothing would be able to come in, it worked.

 

I think it should be allowed, on the US servers it works well, Sycho and myself were on Chicago a few nights ago and we had three bomb cars inside, big red inside and two bombcars at the gates. They didn't really do much anyway.

Its legit but i dont like it, its an uncap for a reason.

 

Insurgents are supposed to be defending caches

Coalition is supposed to be hutning caches not defending their main against a string of attacks.

 

Just my view but meh. Server rules say legit

 

i have to agree and the cheap people who do this also do the same move in AlBasrah

I think this is a question for the DEVs as has been said, it is an Uncap, it does have an out of bounds death zone which with good driving and timing you can beat especially on Al Basrah, I've attempted it a few times with the big red and been hammered by a tank or apc on approach and once made it in destroying heaps of assets.

 

Legit or not its do able and as Bahlye said atm its legal same as the tanks and apc's bridge camping the isurgent main on Al Basrah causing the same sort of pain for the enemy, fair or not its a do able tactic.

"DO NOT SPAWN CAMP/ATTACK UNCAPPABLE FLAGS IN VEHICLES AT ANY TIME"

I think the way people should be looking at this rule is that camping the enemy base is bad. With a regular vehicle you can sit at or near an enemy base indefinitely and fire into it racking up kills as people spawn. With a suicide vehicle you can only drive in once and detonate once then it is all over.

 

Either way, the community at large clearly finds it acceptable (according to the votes), and a head admin has ruled it acceptable. So until stated otherwise...

And this is the inherent problem. Reasoning for, and against, both valid.

 

You either say,

 

YES - and then US know that they have to defend at all times (vehicles and infantry)

 

NO - then people get banned for doing it.

 

 

At the moment, even though Bahyle weighed in, it's still confusing. I would be happy either way, but I want to know for sure. When I spawn in, I have to be careful or not.

Exactamundo Wolf camping as such refers to stationary or strategic positioning with the intent on racking up cheap kills on people who assume they are in a safe zone. Suicide bombing is quite different.

 

Camping say with a 50. mounted vehicle shooting into a main or sniping into a main at distance is clearly against rules.

Edited June 21, 200915 yr by hades198

By that reasoning, there can be an Insurgent rush into the uncap, with rifles/nades/RPG/LMG and that would be OK?

 

Rules have to be clear, I'm not seeing it.

S.O.P re read the rules, if you enter an uncap main to blow up an asset say for example (sabotage) thats ok, if fired upon you can return fire. If you sneak into or around (even outside) a main to hide and shoot people as they spawn inside, Not OK.

 

You are not allowed to charge in with a squad to shoot it up even though it may be classed as a suicide raid it more falls under camping, attemping to shoot people in an uncap or safe zone.

 

Suicide bombing is different and if there was a suicide bomber (unarmed with gun but with bomb) class I'd say they would be allowed to attempt to detonate inside a main as well.

 

Its pretty clear to me anyways no offence.

It is plain impossible for anyone to come up with a iron clad set of rules that will clearly state the exact validity of every single tactic that could eventuate in a game of PR.

 

Therefore there will always be grey areas to some degree but a little understanding and some common sense usually goes a long way in resolving any issues.

 

Now lets not turn this into a bitch thread about the finer points of the server rules please.