OK, here's something that would be interesting to discuss. If you were a squad leader, and you had the option to transport your squad in an APC or a Jeep, what would you use?

 

The thing is, APC's are Armoured Personnel Carriers, yet they are rarely seen transporting troops into battle, but instead used as a light tank.

Depends on the situation.

 

In most cases a jeep but often an APC is a better option.

 

You are right about apcs being used as weapons more then transport but I guess thats the nature of the game and hard to get around. APCs are also giant moving targets, slow on the go unlike jeeps that can usually get out of trouble fairly quickly and usually are moving too fast to be lined up by HAT, etc.

 

Generally.

Jeep...

 

.two crewman equals two less on the ground + engy to ensure it's health for APC

 

.APC is a bit of a magnet for enemy (particularly on insurgent maps)

 

.Hummer looks cooler for those quick insertions

APC myself. Last time i played i was doing the troop transport thing, but you'd be surprised the number of guys that insist on walking the 'many kms' to the front rather than taking a ride. Also i find it hard to get a gunner when i'm driving but thats another story

As for transport, APC always wins IMO it has the armour required to get you there safe. With the new limited kit reallocation times there is much less AT on the battlefield so I generally feel pretty safe.

 

The downside I find is that if your squad has to crew the APC it takes a full third (2/6) of your infantry squad away making you much less combat effective when you are fighting street to street.

Yeah look more often than not I'd have to go with Jeeps. I like the mobility of HMMMV's, and also they are a little more expendable, but they also come with 50. cals

 

The APC turns into a bullet magnet, like people have said. Mostly, you find squads grab the APC and use it to transport themselves, and give fire support for thier objectives. Thats usually fine, especially if they have 1-2 engies looking after it. Rather that than a 3 man team struggling to keep it together

If an APC from another squad is offering a lift, il take it over a humvee etc

 

I usually dont let 2 squad members crew an APC because it makes the squad very dependable on external medics, not to mention less people for a rally.

APCs need to be in a 1 or 2 Sqs being used for SQ support and transport not front line trying to rack up kills

 

even having no gunner and simply moving troops when helicopters are not a option

If you can hitch a ride with an APC, that. Otherwise your squad of 6 is now a squad of 4.

 

 

If you need to have 2 crewmen to run the APC - depends on circumstance, will an APC draw attention to you and hinder what you are trying to do OR will it be of benefit as there is no need for stealth (apc's being pretty loud and all).

 

 

Poll needs moar options.

Jeep for me .. same reasons as above

Now if we would the "proper" apc's abroad, like the US Army has (Strker), and only a driver, sure i'd perfer to take it over a support truck or jeep.

 

IFV's and are always used as that role or a light tank. Which for infantry squads, the option generally is a jeep or truck.

i would say apc most of the time but i guess it depends on the squads role, and of course the overall mission!

 

 

if its jus a ferry to and from main i'd say take the hmmv just because it is faster and not too much of a wasted asset.

 

if its light armored support then the apc, i would never use an apc to ferry troops. only use apc for troop carrying in less dangerous areas, where enemy attacks are less likely.

 

but also it depends wat you want your squad to be doing.

 

if you want a full infantry squad and want to take objectives with CQC tatics stay with the hmmv. move via hmmv, park it safe, close by set a rally and move in on foot. your squad would consist of SL, rifleman, SAW, Medic, grenadier, n another rifleman or LAT. once the objective is complete fall back to the hmmv and mount up.

 

If you want to support an infantry squad take the apc. cover the infantry squads advance from a distance and be ready to move in for close Light Armed support. set up a temp rally that is good for your apc to retreat to for repairs and in spot that others squads can come to you for engi or medical support. your squad would consist of SL, 2x crewman, engi, medic.

 

 

another support squad would consist of 2 x hmmv which would advance with the infantry squad and allow them to free up there medic spot for another assualt class. your squad would provide ranged .50cal support as well being able to move quickly to respond to any flanking manouvers. your squad would consist of SL, 2x medic, 2x rifleman, and a marksman.

 

there are many combinations each asset can be used in a multitued of roles.

each have there good and bad points. it really comes down to how well you use them on the battlefield and how well you can order and have your orders followed by those in your squad.|

 

 

thats my 5cents anyway!

jeeps cos their awesomeness....

jeeps.

 

Both MEC apcs are not armoured, one LAT hit and the inf in the back are dead. May as well be in a jeep.

Usually a jeep faster, quieter more mobile...

Jeeps.

 

They're faster off the line and are more maneuverable. I wouldn't go driving anything through a known hot spot anyway, I'd take it around.

Most squadies look at an APC as just 2 less guys on the ground...shame really.

Jeepily!!! Jeepness!!!

jeeps . . .. i mean hummers are just plain sexy

Hmm, so what would make you people use APC's more as troop carriers?

Hmm, so what would make you people use APC's more as troop carriers?

 

A lack of Jeeps?

 

EDIT--> maybe if APC's weren't so much of a bullet/RPG magnet or maybe if they had more protection from RPG's.

 

Honestly I see APC's as death traps!

 

What ever happened to the cages that wrapped around APC's I saw somewhere designed to give some sort of protection from RPG's?

 

IE

 

http://www.combatreform2.com/supergavin6.jpg

 

They were at one stage going to be put on the APC's in PR weren't they?

Edited October 29, 200816 yr by cm.

Hmm, so what would make you people use APC's more as troop carriers?

Bigger squads would be my only idea. The big problem as it is now is that there is too much kit and not enough players to carry it all.

 

Max squad size is 6 but there are 4 default kits and 7 limited kits so a 6 man squad and 11 different kit options. Now I'm not saying every squad needs one of every kit, but.

 

Eg. In a standard squad you really need an; Officer, Medic, Rifleman. That leaves you 3 players to take some specialist kits depending on the role of the squad.

 

If you have two members of your squad already as crewmen then you really only have room for your; Officer, Medic, Rifleman, and one other kit, drastically reducing the potential firepower and flexibility of your squad.

 

If squads had maybe 8 people in them you wouldn't have to worry about the loss of two of your men anywhere near as much.

 

I realise this is most probably hard coded and not possible but it is the best idea I can think of.

 

Either that or any other idea that could be implemented so that the impact of having your squad mates crewing the APC was not so large as to tie up a full third of your squad.

Hmm, so what would make you people use APC's more as troop carriers?

 

Direct comms with the drivers if they aren't in your squad via VoIP and in game buttons, so that the driver and gunner doesn't have to be in your squad to be effective. Communicating by text chan is un workable.

Hmm, so what would make you people use APC's more as troop carriers?

There isn't anything, to be honest. There's not a single advantage that I can see to taking an APC over a jeep if you need transport. The jeeps are faster, more nimble, don't require special kits to drive, have only a 5 minute respawn so if you all die you don't have to feel like a nub, and they've got the ammo crates as well... and as mentioned above they're not a big AT magnet like the APCs as they're not seen as great a threat as the APCs.

 

I do use APCs for transport, however it's generally:

• If there are no jeeps available. My response is: *sigh, can x & y plz get crewman kits and drive us in and support us* (two less squad members basically)
  
• If we need to take out a firebase. The APCs are way underappreciated in this regard. If you find out where a FB is, the chances of them being able to muster up LAT/HAT by the time you rock up is minimal, and as the APC sits about 15m away covering the spawn, your squad jumps out and knifes the firebase. I used it to great effect on Qwai and Ejod on occasions.

At the end of the day the APCs are generally used as mini-tanks, which isn't all too effective, and as you mentioned is kind of contrary to their intended purpose... but ah well, se la vie!

There's not a single advantage that I can see to taking an APC over a jeep...

... Complete and total immunity to small arms, even if you take a LAT hit you are still good to go unless you are dumb enough to stick around for him to have a second go. Jeeps can be torn up by any weapon on the battlefield very easily. As long as you are not getting shot at, jeeps are great but as soon as the first bullet flies I always wish I was in an APC.

Edited October 29, 200816 yr by mrchickenfool