Guys,

 

I just finished reading 'Blackwater - The Rise of the World's Most Powerful Mercenary Army' .... and they talked about how US armed forces are not allowed to operate (other than training) on US soil. It's something to do with their Constitution. that is the job of the domestic forces such as the National Guard and the various other Secuirty Departments.

 

I was discussed because apparently all forces (other than the Marines) are subject to this rule and are also therefore subject to possible shutdown if the Government ever deamed it necessary.

 

Does anyone know the details on this ... as it all sounds very interesting and I would love to hear more.

 

Wal

i read an article (looking for it now) on how one of the US brigades returning from Iraq has been placed under "Northern Command"'s control (NC apparently was setup to stop attacks on the US mainland) and have been training in urban warfare in ConUS. I'll post the article if i can find it.

 

[edit] - this isn't the article, but it does mention something similar to what i said above. The article i'm trying to find was from a 'proper' news site as some might say (o; http://www.rense.com/general77/pentaa.htm

 

[edit] - Norcomm gains dedicated response force

 

http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/10/13/bush-deploys-military-in-the-us-for-active-duty-as-federal-response-force/

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/

Edited October 27, 200816 yr by Heat-seeker

really? thats intersesting. i know they can impose martial law. which means they army opens a can of whoppass but thats normally not for war only terror threats riots ect

dont the US have the national guard also?Blackwater to my understanding is just another cash cow for bush and his cronies,ie profiteiring from the misfortunes of the invaded countries the US "liberate"its amazing how they can get away with it under international law as i am pretty sure that merc armies are outlawed

 

they also kept the peace when katrina hit.killing looters and the like.

Edited October 27, 200816 yr by happy_googleboy

The US has National Guard in each state controlled by the states governor This is the military for the states protection. The US Army reserve is the reserve for the US Army (My brother s currently serving as a Brigade Sargent Major on active duty from his Reserve Unit.)

 

The US Army operates in the US if required under the control of the President as commander and Chief. The Constitution does not forbid the Army from working on it's own soil or a little thing called the US Civil War would had been unconstitutional and the air force being scrambled during Sept 11 would have been Unconstitutional as well.

 

Just to point something out and I have said it before the marines are part of the US Navy and operate under there guidance they are not a separate branch of the armed services. The Marine officers are trained by the Naval Academy the top general in the Marines answers to the fleet admiral in the Navy.

Ok, I got some more detail here:

 

http://www.homelandsecurity.org/journal/articles/Trebilcock.htm

 

The statutory language of the act does not apply to all U.S. military forces. While the act applies to the Army, Air Force, Navy, and Marines, including their Reserve components, it does not apply to the Coast Guard or to the huge military manpower resources of the National Guard. The National Guard, when it is operating in its state status pursuant to Title 32 of the U.S. Code, is not subject to the prohibitions on civilian law enforcement. (Federal military forces operate pursuant to Title 10 of the U.S. Code.) In fact, one of the express missions of the Guard is to preserve the laws of the state during times of emergency when regular law enforcement assets prove inadequate. It is only when federalized pursuant to an exercise of presidential authority that the Guard becomes subject to the limitations of the Posse Comitatus Act.

 

The intent of the act is to prevent the military forces of the United States from becoming a national police force or guardia civil. Accordingly, the act prohibits the use of the military to “execute the laws.”[4,5] Execution of the laws is perceived to be a civilian police function, which includes the arrest and detention of criminal suspects, search and seizure activities, restriction of civilian movement through the use of blockades or checkpoints, gathering evidence for use in court, and the use of undercover personnel in civilian drug enforcement activities.

 

Also the Marines are a seperate entity to the Navy, see here:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Marine_Corps

 

It is one of seven uniformed services of the U.S.. Administratively, the Marine Corps is a component of the Department of the Navy,[3][4] but it acts operationally as a separate branch of the military, often working closely with US Naval forces for training, transportation, and logistic purposes.

 

It also seems that the bit about the Marine Corps being exempt from the law has a little grey area around it:

 

http://www.cdi.org/terrorism/pcomitatus.cfm

 

The Posse Comitatus Act does not presently forbid all U.S. military units from enforcing domestic laws. The plain language of the law does not cover the Navy, Marine Corps or National Guard. The act expressly applies only to the Army and Air Force.

 

Hmmmmmmm .... am I the only one finding this interesting

Edited October 27, 200816 yr by SAS_Archer

No offence but I would listen to JL (Ex US army sigs/intelligence IIRC) before I listen to wikipedia (bunch of random know-it-all teenagers with nothing better to do).

Ok, I got some more detail here:

 

http://www.homelandsecurity.org/journal/articles/Trebilcock.htm

 

The statutory language of the act does not apply to all U.S. military forces. While the act applies to the Army, Air Force, Navy, and Marines, including their Reserve components, it does not apply to the Coast Guard or to the huge military manpower resources of the National Guard. The National Guard, when it is operating in its state status pursuant to Title 32 of the U.S. Code, is not subject to the prohibitions on civilian law enforcement. (Federal military forces operate pursuant to Title 10 of the U.S. Code.) In fact, one of the express missions of the Guard is to preserve the laws of the state during times of emergency when regular law enforcement assets prove inadequate. It is only when federalized pursuant to an exercise of presidential authority that the Guard becomes subject to the limitations of the Posse Comitatus Act.

 

The intent of the act is to prevent the military forces of the United States from becoming a national police force or guardia civil. Accordingly, the act prohibits the use of the military to “execute the laws.”[4,5] Execution of the laws is perceived to be a civilian police function, which includes the arrest and detention of criminal suspects, search and seizure activities, restriction of civilian movement through the use of blockades or checkpoints, gathering evidence for use in court, and the use of undercover personnel in civilian drug enforcement activities.

 

Also the Marines are a seperate entity to the Navy, see here:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Marine_Corps

 

It is one of seven uniformed services of the U.S.. Administratively, the Marine Corps is a component of the Department of the Navy,[3][4] but it acts operationally as a separate branch of the military, often working closely with US Naval forces for training, transportation, and logistic purposes.

 

It also seems that the bit about the Marine Corps being exempt from the law has a little grey area around it:

 

http://www.cdi.org/terrorism/pcomitatus.cfm

 

The Posse Comitatus Act does not presently forbid all U.S. military units from enforcing domestic laws. The plain language of the law does not cover the Navy, Marine Corps or National Guard. The act expressly applies only to the Army and Air Force.

 

Hmmmmmmm .... am I the only one finding this interesting

 

Let see who holds the purse strings for the Marines? The Navy if they decided to cut spending on the Marine Corps they can and they will. The Marines like you to believe they are separate but they are not. Where are Marine offices trained????? That's right the US NAVAL ACADEMY not the US Marine Corp Academy because they don't have one. Like the Army, Air Force and Coast Guard.

 

The United States Marine Corps (USMC) is a branch of the U.S. military responsible for providing power projection from the sea, utilizing the mobility of the U.S. Navy to rapidly deliver combined-arms task forces to global crises. Alongside the U.S. Navy, the Marine Corps operates under the United States Department of the Navy.

 

They are a branch but the Navy controls them from the official Marine website.

 

Without the Navy the Marines don't exist

No offence but I would listen to JL (Ex US army sigs/intelligence IIRC) before I listen to wikipedia (bunch of random know-it-all teenagers with nothing better to do).

 

OK

No offence but I would listen to JL (Ex US army sigs/intelligence IIRC) before I listen to wikipedia (bunch of random know-it-all teenagers with nothing better to do).

 

Wiki's facts get checked just like any other source of credibility. You will notice the [1]'s etc next to blocks of text. It means it quoted from another source which has been verified by another member as being correct. As well as that, you can track changes on wiki pages, and they do get changed pretty often.

 

Being a know it all teen is nothing to scoff at, they are probably some of the best researchers in the world, and they do not take...well all the time one source as golden.

 

Wiki will never replace first hand knowledge but it is a good place to start for quick referencing on topics of popularity.

interesting thing i read a year or so ago, the 'top editors' of wikipedia were:

 

CIA

NSA

DIA

White House

 

Not sure whose classified as 'top editors' now tho . . .

that why they are called MARINEs?

interesting thing i read a year or so ago, the 'top editors' of wikipedia were:

 

CIA

NSA

DIA

White House

 

Not sure whose classified as 'top editors' now tho . . .

 

The Australian Liberal and Labor party would rate pretty highly too

The Australian Liberal and Labor party would rate pretty highly too

WTFH?!?!:flail: They know how to use computers?!?! :rofl: