just want to know what you guys think about snipers camping un-cappable flags. im not talking about them using vehicle to camp but just themself and the sniper kit.

 

for example.

a sniper sitting about 550m+ away from the main shooting into it and killing some people.

 

Below is a snippit of the rulz

• Spawn Camping Spawn Vehicles - Are to be marked and destroyed - shooting people as they spawn on a vehicle is considered cheap and usually leads to poor community moral

• Spawn Camping Uncapable Flags - Use your head. You do not like to be spawn camped so do not spawn camp others.

• However, If you are spawn camped - figure out where its coming from and make a plan of attack so that you can move out and kill the camper.

• There are several spawn points in each base making it impossible for one person to camp an entire base.

well he not cammping with vehicle so the first one dont count.

last three are kinda tied together, as you dont like being camped but it not like they can hit everytime from that distance. figure a way to defeat him/her and move on. on person can not change the whole out come of a game but vehicles/armor can.

personally, who cares if one sniper is camping. it only becomes problamatic when you get whole sqauds and vehicles/armor camping as those take more than a few shots to kill.

It doesnt matter what the rules say on a matter like this - its a matter of form and reputation. In a small community such as ours, is it REALLY in your best interest to be:

 

--Spawn raping. Bringing disrepute upon yourself and your clan (if applicable)

 

-- Doing anything which may cause people to RageQuit. Aside from just pwning them with ure 1337 skillz, doing anything that isnt really fair and pissing off, or worst case making anybody ragequit, is just poor form and serves to diminish our already quite small player base. You want to see full servers? Just play fair.

 

Realistically, this isnt aimed at regulars or forumites. I've NEVER had an unfair experience while playing with forumites. Its when people from... shall we say... elsewhere... jump on and disrespect the server that problems arise.

 

Also, this doesnt apply to cappable flags. Snipe away my friend. But uncap rape sucks. Its poor form, and I'd hate to see it from anybody here.

My vote for it being gay was removed!!

 

To elaborate and perhaps be a little less derogatory I believe it would be boring. Camping and knowing where everyone is going to appear, 550m or not, just seems dull. Yawn to those that do it. :yawn:

Well I understand your motivation to want to do it on Qinling Piro, because it truly is the dogs bawlz in terms of fun IMO... I've tried commanding, being in Helis (attack & transport) and jets, ground pounding [zomg kill me now] and tank/apcing and I couldn't really enjoy any of them... I think being commander was probably the most fun because I got to yell at people like "Hey why did j00 leave t3h village maaaan, now we'z gotta go back [and by we, I mean them ]" and such... Picking off easy targets as they're trying to get kits seems a little low to me... especially since it is generally way uncappable (the airfield bases).

 

So in short, I don't support it, and you can be assured I'd be spewin' if I were on the receiving end.

 

Ohhh I just remembered the only time I had fun... when I was doing FAC for people, it's gratifying to laze the tank and watch it go boom with a 500lb bomb

lol true but it not like i can hit everyone of them and in the end after like 6 kills they generally come up with a jet of tank and kill me.

lol true but it not like i can hit everyone of them and in the end after like 6 kills they generally come up with a jet of tank and kill me.

 

Seems like you're hurting your team more than you're helping them, in that case... Just my opinion

I'm not worried about a Sniper since the rifle is 'broken' but a marksman on the other hand!

 

Technically speaking, a Sniper, realistically, would be camping a main in a warzone. Is it really that bad? It's not too hard to triangulate where he is after you die and kill him dead.

 

Keep your head down and your wits about you. The only place that's safe is the carrier.

 

 

That rant over, it does suck on uncappable flags and really isn't the 'sporting' thing to do.

Piro is talking about the other day on quinling where he was sitting far away from the brit main sniping it. Me and evil eventually got a jeep and went and ran him over.

 

Also the rifle isnt so much "broken" as "harder than most weapons to use"

Hard to use is all well and good. But, this is BF2/PR. A rifleman can make the same shots at the same maximum view distance with out having to keep it still for that arbitrary length of time.

 

In a gaming sense, I define that as broken. In a realistic sense, that's fine, whatever floats your boat. If it came down to it, it's way more worth your while to take a Marksman kit and be 10x more effective in your role.

there used to be a thread with this exact discussion within it in the PT General forums...

 

I would find it for you, though I am a one hand bandit at the moment eating my tea.

 

Also the rifle isnt so much "broken" as "harder than most weapons to use"

 

No, it's broken.

 

If you've ever gone skeet shooting the only way to hit anything is to follow the target and fire while you aim ahead and continue to follow through. So as it flies right to left as an example you follow it lead it squeeze the trigger all while continuing to follow the clay. Then you quickly acquire the next little bugger rince repeat. All this takes seconds or you miss them both.

 

In PR with the other rifles you can do something very similar to real life where you follow the running man taking a crack at him. I do this all the time with the marksman rifle and can put a lot of guys down. In PR as it is now if you follow a moving target with a sniper rifle the deviation is so high you can't hit anything which is wrong especially at medium/low range.

 

It's broken.

 

 

As for campers meh, if they are foolish enough to stay in one spot easy kill for me. I personally camp but only for a few kills then I relocate to pick off the guys heading to my old spot.

Edited June 10, 200818 yr by Snazzy

I'm with wolf on this one, most of the time they can kill a few guys at the most and you can usually locate them pretty quickly if they are being a pest. The issue I'm more concerned with is people using the "OMG BASECAMPER" as a crutch. As soon anyone sees you step foot inside their main they scream "SPAWNCAMPER! **** #*!#*!" etc. Regardless of whether you have shot anyone or not. Get over it, kill them.

 

Personally i think if just one person is causing you problems at the main, deal with it yourself, it's just more un-needed work for the admins otherwise.

 

Besides most smart base rapers do the the damage then bug out quicksmart.

Which is more fun anyway!

"There easy to kill" may come into effect for some people, but for the cannon fodder like me who's best hope in PR is to get shot shielding the person directly behind me from harm, camping is a problem

If camping an uncappable flag is ok with a sniper kit why not then with a whole squad ?

 

not to mention if i were SL and a member of my squad was camping I would boot them . If i were commander and one of my troops was camping i would ask them to refrain and contribute in a constuctive way .

 

and if i got nailed in my uncappable I would hunt the sniper down take his or her kit and hold it or give it to a team member .

Camping does 3 things,it pisses off the people who die, gives the killer ****s & giggles and generally interupts if not ruins the round. In terms of protecting the GSA bigD servers from becoming nilla wankfests I believe it's something that should be frowned upon.

I agree that usually it's not the forum registered players that do this kind of thing but at times it can be, most people at some stage have done it, I have I wont deny that but no one likes it when their on the receiving end.

If you want to set up camp as a sniper and kill people as the leave a main base sure do it but dont try and insta spawn kill people inside the main thinking their in a safe haven, make a challenge of it and go in and knife em tough guys

It's usually more of an issue when some goose just apc's or tank camps a main.

small things like this arnt much of a problem. it only only the big things that get out of control.

when someone snipes go and find a safe place like a house. get ur crewmans kit and grab the next big thing like a tank and go hunting. quinling had heaps of tanks yet noone was using it find were i was.

 

and even when you go in and knife people in the back theres always someone who complains about it. oh no theres someone in our base camping us with his knife ahhhhh.

Considering how rooted the sniper kit is I think the man actually getting any use out of it should be praised.

Considering how rooted the sniper kit is I think the man actually getting any use out of it should be praised.

 

The sniper rifles are great against people who are stationary. It just so happens that people stay still when making the agonising choice of what pickup kit they should choose.

In a realistic sense they would be doing it.

 

Any admins wanna clear up weather its ok or not?

hmm ive got to say... ive started getting used to the sniper kit.. its not soo much them being stationary, its how you lead your targets... i'll link you what i mean when i upload my fraps footage *edit* god damn out of the things i fraps'd i deleted to of the main things i wanted the sniping and the mean as vodnik convoy we had going last night ...

Edited June 10, 200818 yr by Maritius

In a realistic sense they would be doing it.

 

Any admins wanna clear up weather its ok or not?

 

The rules are quoted in the first post.

 

After much community debate many months ago the rules were modified, because the community then, as it still appears to be now, was divided right down the middle on whether its acceptable or not, even though 90% of people complain when they are on the recieving end, regardless.

 

 

We do not encourage sniper camping. Nor do we encourage sabotage.

It always creates trouble, and it almost always leads to bigger problems.

A lone sniper, however, can not hold a whole team at bay.

As stated before, a lone sniper does more damage for their own team than the opposing team - but they can ruin the game for alot of people. Those not directly affected (read: shot) inevitably have to deal with the complaints. Any admin playing then has to take time out and fall behind their squad to check that the sniper is indeed alone, then quell the complaints or take action if needed.

 

The rules clearly say that while it is frowned upon, and most people dont like it, if you do it, do it by yourself, not in groups. This way the opposition has a chance to spawn and retaliate, being that all spawn points cannot be covered at once by a lone sniper.

 

The rules also hope to have people move out and kill the camper rather than immediately calling for admin assistance.

It is more than understandable for people to get upset when they are on the recieving end and that is why, in the past (and going into the future), players have been warned off extended periods of camping and/or sabotage.

 

When considering sniper camping or sabotage, please think of the bigger picture. Sure, you get a few giggles from taking out a few unprepared players before either moving on or getting taken out, but in that process you upset other players, create the potential for bigger problems (I think most of us have seen it in the past - a not too distant memory of people who were camped taking tanks and raping the enemy spawn in retaliation is just one example of many), create work for admins which takes away from the little game time they get as it is and you take a player and a kit away from your own team who could be using those resources at the battle/s itself.

 

I used to hope that the community would be mature enough to move past things like this, but Ive long accepted and come to terms with the fact that some people, regardless of their age will never really mature.

 

A quick reminder and for any new community member that may be reading at this point that attacking an enemy main base that is not capturable in:

*A vehicle (ANY vehicle be it ground/air/etc),

*Groups of 3 players or more,

*With HAT, LAT, Grenadier or any other kit not deemed as 'sobotage appropriate':

 

Will be removed from the servers. Repeat offenders will be banned.

I would rather the sniper send back enemy movement etc to the squad leader / commnander first before shooting, and once that is done instead of shooting random infantry maybe look out for SL's and take them out, the longer they are out of the game the better it is for your team

Squadleaders, anti tanks, medics and to a lesser extent other limited kits should be your primary targets.

 

Often it is more tactically sound to take out one squadleader with a well placed headshot than to take out 2-3 grunts.

My 2 cents,

 

Sniper kit is very hard to use at the moment, if the enemy sniper is killing the "jet whores" at the airfield good for them. That is one less guy I'll have to deal with on the frontline, which is where I will be.

 

There is a big difference between "camping" (also known as defending) and "spawn camping".

 

Turn down the whinge, if you have a complaint ask for an admin quickly and as quietly as possible, and let them deal with it. Don't spam the chat with "heated" words. You will just drag the whole server down.

 

Also all players should try to think before they get on the whinge boat, Ask yourself;

 

"Is this really a big enough problem to cause a big public fuss about?"

 

If it is maybe you should be reporting the offending player on through the system already set up on the forums, instead of wasting your time spamming global chat.

 

 

Also are there even "spawn vehicles" in PR any more?

As SL, if someone was headed towards the enemy main with a sniper kit they'd soon find themselves ordered back to somewhere worthwhile, and failing that, on the end of my boot button.

 

Even if snipers could hit the side of a barn, they do no favours to your squad or team in spawncamping the main. Camping/defending a position, sure, but there is no reason to do it at the enemy main except to be annoying.